Sea Wolves - Submarines on Hunt

[jasonb885]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Sub serpent.
Seawolves is the only UBI authorized mod for SH3. That is correct. UBI has given them and only them the legal right to offer an add-on to SH3.
The fact they do not care that others make there own mods and share them is great for us all.

Eh?

I'm certainly never buying another UBI product again. Screw that.

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

But, they have authorized Seawolves. They have permission from UBI to alter copyrighted files. No one else does.

How sad.

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

While Jason cries like a school girl making false statements never proven by anyone other than the choir when facts were disallowed the first add on sold out. He is in denial but when I go to the sites offering it, always the same; sold out.

That still tells you nothing. You don't know the quantity of copies available. It's easy to have only a few on hand so you can 'sell out' or maybe it's so unpopular it's simply not in stock often.

You can draw any conclusion you want without numbers to back them up.

Funny, that.

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

While I had nothing to do with the first one and only advise on historical matters in the next one and run the game and report results I can tell you it is filled with new ships, effects, campaigns, missions etc etc etc and they are all new stuff built for it.

Exactly my point. You have some vested interest in the success of the latest release by these scam artists. Anything you say is hardly objective.

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Those here that believe we represent the 100,000 people that have bought SH3 please post the figures for number of members and threads. That will prove me wrong.
Or, just keep making false statements like Jason and trash anyone that has a different view. That only indicates a weak argument which is all Jason seems to want.

What weak argument? Your words are based purely on smoke screen.

It was clearly proven the original SeaWolves contained mods that were used without the consent of the authors. That is _fact_. Period.

As you did then, you _continue_ to condon this behavior openly. Given your obvious stake in this most recent 'product', I am not at all surprised you're a CP shill.

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

G, wouldn’t blame you. Discussion about this add on to SH3 would seem like a part of what the community would want, whether one likes it or not. But, perhaps we should have an “Ask Jason first� sticky, so we know what is considered proper party line discussion.
We can call it: Heil Jason!

For the longest time I couldn't tell if you were merely hopelessly misguided or a shill.

The jury is finally in.

<No name-calling!!! - Gizzmoe>

[jasonb885]

Originally Posted by jasondef

OK, different Jason here. It seems evident that the first seawolves mod did rip-off the mod community. Nobody disputes that. What seems to be getting confused in this discussion is that the next upcoming Sea Wolves Mediteranean mod is also ripping off the mod community. I don't see how that can be proved at least until it hits the shelves and we can examine its contents ourselves (as I have stated before). Wulfmann (sorry, not Wulframm! ) says they have learned their lesson, and this next Med mod will not rip-off the mod community, and it will in fact use mods that they themselves create (the proof will be in the pudding). Since he is the only one here that has seen it, any other argument seems to me to be pure speculation.

It goes beyond that. The tools behind SeaWolves have a _history_ of using mods without permission for other games as well. There is a long, proven track record of deception here. Period.

Bottom line -- do you want to purchase from a known community ripoff operation or not?

Obviously Wulfy thinks you should, but then he clearly has a vested interest in copies selling... and he claims you do too by making a logically fallacious argument that anything that improves visibility of the original SH3 is somehow good for the community as a whole. Hardly so.

[jasonb885]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

This is a case closing statement from Sergbuto as far as I am concerned. It also explains to me why it seems Sergbuto seems to be a little bit reticent to share exactly how he does some of his modifications with the community here... He's been burned before and who can you trust?

Wow. I hadn't seen that. That's a shame they ripped him off, too.

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

X1=Thieves... a blind and deaf man could figure this out. Whether they have "the rights" to do so or not... what they are doing is unethical and sleazy.

BTW... JasonB885 it is GREAT to see you back at subsim man.

Moderators, I vote you lock this thread. It gives the wrong sort more audience and consideration than they deserve.

I didn't know anyone noticed I was gone.

It's a shame upon my return the same tired old threads are still being argued by the usual suspect.

In either case, the truth is here for anyone that cares to look.

[jasonb885]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

...
When Jason was formulating Improved Convoys I suggested he add the early sloops as escorts since they were the main escorts for convoys in 39 and early 40.
I had added the names of those classes to the Black Swan (It’s a sloop but the devs called it a Frigate) and even posted what I did so Jason could use it.

And I appreciated the suggestion and still do.

Did CP 'borrow' my mod as well which is the work of myself and all those I listed in the README along with other suggestions from members of the SubSim community?

It would sadden me greatly.

[jasonb885]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Why do you defend them so? Are they paying you to solicit on this forum and try to persuade us to buy from them? If that's the case, then you are pissin in the wind my friend, cause you can talk to the hand cause the face don't want to hear it!

Isn't that against forum policy? Soliciting without offical approval on Neal's website?

Who is Wulfmann anyways? Always thought the one from the Top Gun movie was kind of a pansy BrokeBack Mountain gay boy!

Wulfmann, don't you have better things to do? Like hand out rainbow pride stickers to get support for your kind or is X1 paying you with gerbals?

He's been doing this for... gosh... Nearly a year now.

And it surprised me so to see he's still hanging around here pimping CP and X1.

Could be he's retired with way too much free time.

Who knows.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

I can stop posting completely on this subject and if this forum prefers that for the sake of peace I respectfully ask any moderator to make the request and it will happen.

You can post on this subject as much as you want.

My final words before I close this thread... The general tone in this thread is totally unacceptable. Do not attack people and do not respond to attacks with yet another attack. Some of you guys are now on my watch list. One more personal attack/name-calling and you´ll get a warning. Any violation after that will get you suspended for 7 days.