2010 Formula 1 Championship

[TarJak]

Well done MW! Good interesting race too. Plenty of drama and action and some excellent stratgic battles across the paddock. Nice to see that one driver/car combo is not completely dominant so far this season with that combo streaking to an unbeatable lead in championship.

I do hope Webber wins this years champinship but I also hope that the race to the finish is close.

[Jimbuna]

...and he had of been in the Aussie 20 twenty team for the final today

More of that tomorrow

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

...and he had of been in the Aussie 20 twenty team for the final today

More of that tomorrow

OK well done to the Poms on playing 20 overs of mediocre bowling really well.

[XabbaRus]

Cracking Turkish GP

Well done Lewis and Jenson....best overtake of the day although Lewis got the place back.

Idiot of the Day : Vettel. Webber didn't have to move out the way. He'd left the door open, Vettle should not have jinked right.

Jenson I think has proven that in a straight dry race he can keep up with and take Lewis.

Congrats to both though.

[Schroeder]

In an interview with a German TV channel Vettel said that he lost his car on the brake and that caused him to hit Webber.
I don't know whether that's true or the team ordered him to say that.
Sure thing though it was definitely not Webber's fault.

[XabbaRus]

They were still quite a way away from the braking zone as Webber has said on the BBC. After listening to what has been said on the BBC F1 programme there is a definite feeling that within RBR Vettel is the blue eyed boy and Mark has upset the apple cart with his blistering pace in the last 3 races including this one. Apparently Horner is defending Vettel, and the way they were hugging him suggests this. I of course would like to see Jenson retain his title and Mclaren take the WCC, however I think Webber is alright and hope he finishes ahead of Vettel this year if he doesn't take the WDC.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Cracking Turkish GP

Well done Lewis and Jenson....best overtake of the day although Lewis got the place back.

Idiot of the Day : Vettel. Webber didn't have to move out the way. He'd left the door open, Vettle should not have jinked right.

Jenson I think has proven that in a straight dry race he can keep up with and take Lewis.

Congrats to both though.

Agreed...but I should imagine Jenson will privately be thinking this was a golden opportunity to top the leader board had circumstances been slightly more favourable.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Cracking Turkish GP

Well done Lewis and Jenson....best overtake of the day although Lewis got the place back.

Idiot of the Day : Vettel. Webber didn't have to move out the way. He'd left the door open, Vettle should not have jinked right.

Jenson I think has proven that in a straight dry race he can keep up with and take Lewis.

Congrats to both though.

Yep cracking Turkish GP. My only regret apart from Mark being taken out by "Sebastion finger boy can't make a clean pass Vettel", is that I went to last years event. There wasn't a great deal of action anywhere let alone the turn 9 stand where we viewed the race. This year was much better and glad to see a proper shootout now between the Red Bulls and the Maccas.

The Macs look like they had the pace although Webber managed to hold off Hamilton despite sustained preesure in the first stint of 17 laps. Can't say the same for Seb who let Hamilton past after only a few corners.

And yes idiot of the day was definately Vettel although Christian Horner and RBR advisor Helmut Marko came a close second with their churlish attempts to defend Vettel and the cuddling on the pit wall was just a joke. Hand the kid a kleenex instead.

I would have been happy to watch Mark and Lewis do battle all day. Anyway I can be happy that Mark is now still leading the champ and has increased his lead while his teamate gets zero points and a shoulder to cry on.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

They were still quite a way away from the braking zone as Webber has said on the BBC. After listening to what has been said on the BBC F1 programme there is a definite feeling that within RBR Vettel is the blue eyed boy and Mark has upset the apple cart with his blistering pace in the last 3 races including this one. Apparently Horner is defending Vettel, and the way they were hugging him suggests this. I of course would like to see Jenson retain his title and Mclaren take the WCC, however I think Webber is alright and hope he finishes ahead of Vettel this year if he doesn't take the WDC.

Agree again with what you have said. I fully agree with what Martin Brundle said at the time of the accident during the race, "I'm giving that 100% Vettel's fault and he's so lucky he didn't wipe Mark Webber out."

Also did anyone notice Vettel pulling the same crazy swiping move to the right on Hamilton on the same part of the track? Lewis was interviewed on the BBC F1 forum after the race (35min in on the player).

He was asked a question by Eddie Jordan, "Were you at all surprised by the move that Vettel pulled on you?"

Lewis replied " I was very very surprised. Travelling at those kind of speeds you have to be sensible. You probably heard it on my radio, I said that it was a dangerous move because I was trying to go down the outside of him, and as I was alongside he erratically turned towards me and considering the next corner is a left hander, there was no reason to turn right. And he did the same thing with Mark and unfortunately took himself out but it was a little unfortunate for Mark because he drove a great race. He's done great for the last few races and is performing well, qualified pole, but I'm glad that he was able to finnish."

Come to think of it didn't Vettel also turn into Lewis in the pits when they were released at simialr times? They wound up driving alongside each other in the pits and I'm sure Seb swerved at Hamilton which was pretty dangerous not because of the speed but by virtue that it was in the pits with load of unprotected pit crew and people about.

Mark for the title and he sticks it to RBR and takes the number 1 elsewhere.

[antikristuseke]

It was a racig incident that was unfrtunate, but personally i see much more fault landing on webber in this one. I have reviewed the footage tens of times from all the angles i have managed to dig up. Neither driver made any jerky movements there, webber simply did not leave any space, the two had contact and that was that.

[Schroeder]

After rewatching it a couple of times I'm also not that convinced any more that it was a 100% Vettel mistake. He had past Webber so he could have left a little space for him. But it's still a 70%Vettel /30%Webber thing in my opinion.

[TarJak]

Webber had no need to give anyone trying to pass him space. Purely Vettel getting over eager to pass IMHO. Glad to see him shunted and Webber continue to a podium place and maintain the Championship lead.

[HunterICX]

Honestly I don't really care whois to blame, I see it as a racing incident nothing more...as Webber said ''it could happen to anyone''

I like Vettel for the risk he dares to take, because if all where tactical drivers who don't take chances it would be a boring sport to watch.

must say not only Vettel made contact with other drivers, the one at start had a nice touché too resulting in 1 losing a part of his nose and the other a punctured tire and the overtaking of Button by Hamilton after start had a contact moment well.

nice race, nice overtakes and a good ending.

that no-refueling rule brought back more interesting races

HunterICX

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

webber simply did not leave any space, the two had contact and that was that.

Webber left a car width and a bit of space on the dirty left side of the track. That is racing hard but fair. Vettel chose to go there rather than on the outside where there was more room. Vettel then was half a car length in front and turned right into Webber by easing to the right. At that high speed and being that close to each other how did he expect Webber to react in time. As Alexandrer Wurtz said to paraphrase, "did Vettel expect Mark to just teleport to somewhere else like Spock in Star Trek?"

It is also important to note that all of this was well before the braking zone and just before the 150m marker on the track. The contact happened between the 200m and 150m marker which are on the right hand side of the track before the left hander. Watch the video closely and you can see that.

Previously Hamilton had a go at Vettel on the same part of the track but on that occassion Hamilton chose to go on the other right hand side. Again Vettel swerved to the right and attempted to scare Hamilton off the track. Again in the pits of a previous race when Vettel and Hamilton were side by side Vettel again swerved to the right at Hamilton. That's not racing. That's just dangerous and plain dirty.

So yes a racing incident but not exactly the best racecraft from Vettel. If you listen to most the F1 pundits, journalists, and racing public it's pretty clear that an overwhelming majority feel Vettel was at fault. The pressure has ratcheted up on Vettel over the last few races where he has been outqualified and outraced by his teamate. Another DNF from Vettel while trying to pass and zero points. Just like Melbourne last year where he collided with Kubica.

[Konovalov]

While Vettel doesn't come out of this great it is the RBR team management that come out of it worse. Horner and Marko are a joke:

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...king-disaster/

In a previous post we examined the lap times involved and it was clear that Vettel was suddenly able to speed up in relation to Webber. Team boss Christian Horner has now confirmed that the drivers did have different engine settings – something he initially denied. And “denied” is an important word. He did not say that he thought they were on the same setting. He said that they definitely were. Later he recanted on that. Explaining why Horner and Red Bull representative Helmut Marko attacked Webber after the race is going to be difficult to explain.

And

The problem now is that everyone in the F1 paddock thinks that the Red Bull camp wants Vettel to be World Champion and the whole business has created the ironic situation of Webber being 15 points ahead. To make matters worse the two McLaren drivers are now between the two Red Bull drivers and so trying to help Vettel will be watched for and could open the way for one of the McLaren men to steal the title – which would not be smart at all.

Good blog highlighting the inexperienced and immature RBR management that could help one of the Macca drivers to win the drivers title and possibly the constructors.