Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I may even vote for him.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Meanwhile, Putin strikes again! Masterful PR! Brilliant! I may even vote for him.

Hey can't be that much worse then what you have now
and as a added bonus he takes his shirt of when he's out fishing or doing some other sport!

HunterICX

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Masterful PR! Brilliant! I may even vote for him.

You don't have to. He'll do it for you

[Jimbuna]

"Damn....I'm good!!"

[Jimbuna]

Here's a turn up for the books.

The UN has confirmed it has received documents from Syria on joining the Chemical Weapons Convention, which outlaws their production and use.
Syria's President Bashar al-Assad earlier told Russian TV the papers were being sent and that it would submit weapons data one month after signing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24068867

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

With all due respect I am war weary.

My brother died to protect (so called) people that hated him outright.

They made no qualms about expressing it, maybe one day I can write a book with my dead brothers thoughts , based on his letters he believed in this country.

His memory is being erased, no one cares anymore, just how many boys we can kill next so we can say we kicked someones ass.

Enlist or shut up, about what should be done....

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I did not say that for pity, it is just so easy for many to call for war. When they got nothing on the fight.

War hurts real people. It is seen as a driver of industry, and a good thing for many, but I only stated what I did to point out that rich mens wars only hurt the poor.

Bring back the draft, no college exemptions like Vietnam, let the richies die like the proles, see how war happy we are then.

All for one and one for all...LOL yeah right.

Words seem so empty and meaningless don't they? All lofty rhetorical BS maybe? There are some things I would like to express, but I don't think it would help any. The last I wore a uniform was ages ago, but some things I have never forgotten and most will never understand until they experience some kind of loss, hardship or sacrifice.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The last I wore a uniform was ages ago, but some things I have never forgotten and most will never understand until they experience some kind of loss, hardship or sacrifice.

Not to make light of your experience, for I have only lost friends after serving to things like alcohol and motorcycles and cancer, but one thing that comes to mind is the smell of breakfast while standing in a long line with a tray in my hand.

That memory of oatmeal, bacon, eggs, coffee will never go away and I'm not too sure I want it to go away. A soul is everything you put into it, both good and bad.

[Oberon]

Assad has turned the screws slightly, he's not going to go ahead and give up the CW unless Obama backs off the military strikes, which would potentially screw Obama over politically.
He's gone from a win-win scenario to a lose-lose one in the space of one week. Welcome to global politics, Obama, no matter what you do, you're going to be condemned for it.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Meanwhile, Putin strikes again! Masterful PR! Brilliant! I may even vote for him.

Obamy got served, outmaneuvered and upstaged. It's painfully obvious the current administration's skill level in statesmanship is inadequate for what is required.

[Mr Quatro]

Headlines today:

Sources: US weapons stolen in Libya raids, fueling Special Forces …Highly sensitive U.S. military equipment stored in Libya was stolen over the summer by groups likely aligned and working with terrorist …

Headlines tomorrow:

Sources: Syrian weapons unaccounted for believe to been have stolen by groups likely aligned and working with terrorist (link yet to be provided)

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Hey can't be that much worse then what you have now
and as a added bonus he takes his shirt of when he's out fishing or doing some other sport!

HunterICX

!
He actually takes part in manly sports.


Obama lies for a living, I bet he even lies on his golf scoresheet.
Putin lies too I am sure, but he does other things besides golf and read teleprompters.

How many of those chems were sold to Assad by Putin?

Is what we should be asking ourselves.

Vote for him?

No voting. He just takes power.

Who wants that? Not me

[Betonov]

Putin doesn't lie. He doesn't need to.
He's just honest and then waits if anyone dares to do anything about it




I wonder how are the Russians going to handle this.
They're not exactly good at logistics.

[Tchocky]

Making the Russians co-own this helps. They have to be responsible world players now.

[Ducimus]

Interesting read.

Putin Makes Obama Pay a High Price for Syria Escape

John Kerry can finally say he knows how Richard Nixon felt.

Kerry rose to power because of his leading role in the American antiwar movement of the 1970s. His testimony accusing, sometimes wrongly, American soldiers of atrocities in Vietnam launched a political career that took him to the Senate, the Democratic nomination for the presidency and, now, to the top post in President Obama’s cabinet.

Vladimir Putin rose to power because of his service in the KGB, which in the 1970s was trying to exploit and manipulate the American antiwar movement. We know that while Kerry and others on the left were comparing American troops to Genghis Kahn and throwing their medals away, the KGB was working overtime to infiltrate antiwar groups and overtly propagandizing with the same messages embraced by American liberals.

Kerry has certainly changed his tune. It would appear that Putin has not.

Kerry, more than any other American, can take credit for bringing the country to the cusp of entering the Syrian civil war on the side of Islamist rebels. His relentless sales pitch in speeches, in internal administration debates and to members of Congress very nearly precipitated U.S. airstrikes against Syria in reprisal for the use of chemical weapons last month in that country’s years-long civil war.

When President Obama opted to duck the decision on launching the strikes, Kerry chased the war plan down Pennsylvania Avenue to Congress. There, relying on what we have since learned is some intelligence from at least one questionable source, Kerry vainly sought congressional approval for going to war.

But the same dovish tendencies inside the Democratic Party that made Kerry famous and powerful also made his task impossible. Since most Republicans opposed the Obama plan for a “shot across the bow” in Syria as being simultaneously weak and provocative, Democratic support was made more crucial. Since the president was unwilling to strongarm his fellow Democrats, observing that he was “elected to end wars, not start them,” hawkish hopes for action flitted away.

Obama shoved the Syria strikes onto Congress in a move one of his advisers publicly bragged would leave Republicans to blame for the resulting action or inaction. Instead, Obama found himself “the dog who caught the car.” A bipartisan defeat for his war plea would be a humiliation at home and abroad and leave his already tattered second-term agenda in ruins. Obama was stuck by his own escape plan.

A frustrated Kerry headed overseas to try to win allies that might convince anxious Democrats that this was not the start of a new quagmire for America. While abroad, Kerry gave a sardonic response to a question about a diplomatic solution. The gist: Oh sure, whenever Bashar al Assad gives up his weapons I’ll quit trying to bomb him.

It was very Louis Winthorp III.

The Russians, however, played it straight. And while Kerry was trying to make his own coalition of the willing, Vladimir Putin found the sweet spot with Obama. Putin offered Obama a way out of a political jam of his own making and allowed Obama to take a little credit for preventing, not starting another war.

Obama jumped at the chance and now, well, let’s let Putin tell the tale, via his New York Times OpEd today: “It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.”

This is a double slap at Obama who early in his presidency tried to redefine American exceptionalism, saying: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” Once he was beating half a war drum, Obama reverted to the more traditional, empowered sense of the term. Putin here reminds American liberals how much they liked the old Obama, champion of Greek exceptionalism.

Worst of all, Putin called Obama George W. Bush, dropping in buzz phrases Obama used to win the Democratic nomination and the presidency. The Cold War Kremlin tropes tailored for the American left about insufficient communication and the need for international equality got gussied up for the 21st century.

But Putin was doing exactly what his bosses at the KGB showed him back in the day, especially when it comes to Democrats: tug at the pacifistic heartstrings of the left when trying to hamstring an American adversary at the negotiating table.

Kerry begins his negotiations with his Russian counterpart today, and any idea that the US was going to strike has evaporated. Obama is inert, rendering Kerry’s threats empty. As Putin’s op-ed shows, the old game can still be quite effective.

source:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-syria-escape/

[Feuer Frei!]

Errr ok, cool.

So the report will state the blooming obvious

A UN report expected next week will "overwhelmingly" confirm that chemical weapons were used in Syria last month, the secretary general says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24088277

14 September 2013 Last updated at 01:08 GMT