He hoped the network would balance negative portrayals of Muslims

[Tchocky]

He's not going after her. He's bringing up an interesting point, which I for one wasn't previously aware of.

I mean, is he wrong in his question?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

He's not going after her. He's bringing up an interesting point, which I for one wasn't previously aware of.

I mean, is he wrong in his question?

I dont know what took place, neither does Tribesman.
I think he is going after her credibility and you seem to support him.

I dont know what took place, neither does Tribesman.

don't you recall what took place ? it was a pretty big news story , it ended up with her having to lose her job .
A simle bit of advice for ya HT , don't sing the praises of a dodgy refugee in the same post that you complain about dodgy refugees .

Another chatter showing Tribesman's insightful competence on the matter he dares to "discuss".

Hey its not my fault if you write a lengthy piece that is best described as bollox .
Take for example the snippet I quoted , can you see why it is absolute bollox ?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Frame57

"Not....." Sorry I still have that Borat movie in my head

That's ok, it is make benefit glorious nation of Kazakhstan.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Take for example the snippet I quoted , can you see why it is absolute bollox ?

Little crash-course for the tired ones and the slow-minded: a quote needs to be given in context, else it's getting distorted in content and thus is not a quote, but a new statement by the one quoting it.

Originally Posted by Skybird

In all western nations - in ALL! - Islam claims special rights and a special status for itself that is not being called for by any other religion, and not by Judaism, even not by our most native religious heritage: the Christian churches anymore

And before you present more examples of your snippetological approach on things, better sit down and get some academic literature on Islam's theology and history and form a minimum of solid and thourough understanding of it - before carrying on here by the means of playing thimblerics and blowing up misleading misquotes.

Little crash-course for the tired ones and the slow-minded:

Have you considered that course yourself ?

So expand the context of the little quote Skybird , its still bollox because it isn't true . Unless of course you can achieve the impossible and show how this special status isn't claimed or given to anyone apart from Muslims .

And before you present more examples of your snippetological approach on things, better sit down and get some academic literature on Islam's theology and history and form a minimum of solid and thourough understanding of it - before carrying on here by the means of playing thimblerics and blowing up misleading misquotes.

:rotfl:
I find that a good academic source is a certain world renowned Jewish scholar as that does tend to negate any implication of Pro-islamic bias when countering your obvious bias .
Your arrogance leads you to make far too many assumptions doesn't it

[Aramike]

You have got that arseways Aramike , it is Happy Times whose hatred makes a parallel between the extremists and the mainstream , even saying that the extremists are the mainstream . Whereas I give examples of the extreme and say they shouldn't be used as a parallel for the mainstream .

I should have been more specific when I said mainstream and pointed out explicitly that I meant the mainstream of non-Muslim religions, western mainstream.

I think what you're failing to grasp is the fact that Muslim-extremism IS their mainstream. This is one of the very few things I agree with Skybird on.

[Skybird]

HT, how is your German? You would love this guy.

I just stumbled over this interview with Hans-Peter Raddatz, a German scholar of Islamic studies, expert for oriental studies and former student of Annemarie Schimmel, her being considered as a major authority of Islamic studies in German tradition of oriental studies. In my understanding he has surpassed her academic credibility, and her too tame criticism of Islam as well. I know most of Raddatz' books inside out, and I full-heartly recommend them, they are a treasure chest of academic background information and well-researched links to sources in islamic scripture and academic literature. More important, his books fulfill criterions for academic information and are not just opinions voiced by any given publicist.

I know (and started to forget ) around 3 dozen books, maybe more, on islam, and several academic standard works amongst them, but for German readers, his often so-called trilogy "Von Gott zu Allah?", Von Allah zum Terror. Der Djihad und die Deformierung des Westens" and "Allahs Schleier. Die Frau im Kampf der Kulturen" is the best beginning to get an oversight and a critical hinting towards the threats and complications of the West's liason with Islam, although neither a short nor an easy reading, since he is very comprehensive, and combines descriptions of the present with a tour de force through all Islamic, Christian and Judaic history.

Raddatz had to leave Germany when German police told him they cannot or want not protect him from Islamic threats to assassinate him. He lives and works in hiding in the US. At least that is the last thing I heared about it two years ago. Needless to mention that Raddatz is not only hated by muslims, but by Westerners trying to feel cosy for Islam as well. The left almost applauded when he had to flee for his life. Tells you something about these guys, doesn't it.

But no matter that, try to challenge his academic competence - if you can.

Raddatz and my positions on Islam are almost identical, i realised when discovering him years ago. This is to say that I have the same critical views of Islam like Raddatz has, but I do not wish to say by this that I am of the same academic competence and have the same encyclopedic knowledge on sources dealing with Islam, like Raddatz has - in no way I can compete with him in these regards. If he is a bright light in a lighthouse tower, I am little more than a small night-light candle to keep warm your teapot.

English:
http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Rea...E-DFAE5024D554

But no matter that, try to challenge his academic competence - if you can.

:rotfl:
Hasn't he been challenged on the academic front quite widely , everything from misquoting , taking out of context , oversimplification , lack of objectivity ,ignoring facts that don't agree with his preconceptions , rewriting history , all the way down to peddling a conspiracy theory .
I can see why you like him and why FrontPage is a source you read , really is there any fruitbat publication that you and Happy Times don't consider a reliable source to link to ?

[Skybird]

The only question that remains is with regard to your person, what YOUR superior credibility and competence is? So far you have spend 10 or 11 postings just to show everybody that you have to say nothing more than that you are right and the others are wrong.

That is not much argument, or knowledge.

The only question that remains is with regard to your person, what YOUR superior credibility and competence is? So far you have spend 10 or 11 postings just to show everybody that you have to say nothing more than that you are right and the others are wrong.

Hey you asked a question , don't you like the answer ?:rotfl:
Or are you going to try and say that Raddatz has not had all those criticsms of his works produced in the last decade levelled at him ?

You screwed up again didn't you , you named someone you agree with and who you say expresses your view better than you do , then challenged people to question what he says if they can ...since his work gets quite a bit of criticism that was rather silly wasn't it .
Perhaps you need wider perspective rather than the fanboy approach of singing the praises of views you like .

[Skybird]

Stop hopping back and forth like a panicking kangaroo, and come to the nitty-gritty.

I still wait for your credentials and what makes you such an insightful expert on Islam and Oriental studies that you dare to label other people's argumentation "wrong" all topic up and topic down - while not needing to present anything worth to be called an argument based on knowledge and academic consens yourself. So far you only fight rethoric fights, without any content.

Stop evading and dropping noise-makers, but give some facts on what makes you such a knowing expert on matters - or stop wasting our time with headless babble and just creating hot air.

Whassamatter Skybird , don't you like the fact that Raddatz' recent work has gotten so much criticism ? And lets facee it the criticism goes quite deep , even saying his entire recent academic methodology is very questonable .
Or perhaps its just that because you liked what he said so much you didn't check how it had been recieved outside of the phobia fanboy network .:rotfl:

[Skybird]

I'm still waiting for your revealing of your competence regarding Oriental and Islam studies, and I won't wait any longer. Stop trying to distract with pointing at Raddatz' critics. It seems I know his work better than you do, so you must not paste and copy criticism that you have snapped up somewhere, but cannot evaluate yourself. More than a dozen postings by you, just claiming others are wrong and you are right - but so far you have been completely unable to found that claim by you with argument, or evidence, academic research, historic knowledge. All you do is conducting evasive maneuvers, zig-zagging around, hiding behind rehtoric noise-makers.

Now, your credentials please, your experiences, your lectures, your whatever. You claim you know it so very much better than others, here is your x-th chance to show why this is so, so far you have completely failed in doing so. If you do not finally come up with something solid, I must necessarily conclude that you just open a huge mouth full of empty air, trying to be like those parrots: noisy, but not knowing what it is that they are "saying".

[Happy Times]

I have linked publications that offer a rational wiew in a time of PC Media and Cultural Marxcism. Jihad Watch, FaithFreedom, Brussels Journal and FrontPage Magazine have rebuted criticism more substancial than Tribesmans non founded scribblings.
From Raddatz i have previously read short quotes translated to Finnish, but if the man had to fled Germany and Tribesman hates him he must be on to something important.