Who will be the next President of the United States?

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by August

But still pretty darn good for a factory worker. I know telecom technicians who don't make that...

Toyota Motor is looking for assembly workers to work in Southern California at $19 and change. I have the exact rate back at the office. I do not know if you have to join a union or not but that is still not $75 an hour. $75 an hour sounds like someone who has been working in the industry for a long time.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Toyota Motor is looking for assembly workers to work in Southern California at $19 and change. I have the exact rate back at the office. I do not know if you have to join a union or not but that is still not $75 an hour. $75 an hour sounds like someone who has been working in the industry for a long time.

Likely it is non-union if it is Toyota. $75 or more an hour is what the guys that work for Ford and GM in the Cleveland area around me are making, trust me, I know many of them, some are my clients. UAW is a very powerful union. Those wages plus the union health insurance which is nearly 100% coverage is why your cars cost $30,000+.

$19 an hour isn't bad money for many people, you could live decent off of that if you weren't the typical "I need to have it all so I am up to my waist in credit card bills and debt" american. Plus those guys work a lot of OT which is either time and a half or double time or even triple during extra shifts and holidays. Many college graduates in white collar jobs don't make that much.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

I think you have no clue what you're talking about. Rig the voting process? Care to explain how?

Very simple. Are you familiar with how easy it is to manipulate electronic voting? A kid during George W.'s election added a thousand votes in Vermont to his ballot. With the amount of power the government has over such things, it would be much easier to add/subtract votes. It's been done, and it will be done again (whether or not in this election, well, that's yet to be seen...).

By the way, try learning to respect the opinions and ideas of others AND shut the **** up instead of being a jackass.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Very simple. Are you familiar with how easy it is to manipulate electronic voting?

Actually yes, i have several friends who work at GTech, one of the main manufacturers of electronic voting machines in the country, what's your source?

A kid during George W.'s election added a thousand votes in Vermont to his ballot.

A "kid" eh? I did a cursory search for the news story but couldn't find it. I assume you have a link or some kind of proof of this allegation other than "some kid" told you?

With the amount of power the government has over such things, it would be much easier to add/subtract votes. It's been done, and it will be done again (whether or not in this election, well, that's yet to be seen...).

I'll agree that it would be easier than paper votes I suppose, but as far as it having acutally been done in a US election, that's nonsense; a completely unsupported allegation. Provide some proof of this claim or withdraw the comment.

By the way, try learning to respect the opinions and ideas of others AND shut the **** up instead of being a jackass.

Where do you get off telling me to shut up Sonny? FYI if I don't appear to respect your opinions it's because so far you have made nothing but juvenile pronouncements without one shred of proof to back them up. A "kid rigged the voting machines" indeed. For someone who demands respect for his people you sure aren't demonstrating that you deserve any.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

Hard to say at this point...........some are saying that Al Gore will be a dark horse at the end. Possibly getting the Dem nomination.......Global Warming is becoming a big issue

Surprise, surprise Hillary Clinton will chose Edwards or Al Gore for her running mate (vice president), but it's too late for Al Gore to get on the (dark horse?) ticket.

Now for some funny news did you hear Obama's introduction of that well known and well respected celiberty Ophra Winfrey.

"How many of you would you like to see Ophra be my running mate"?

No comment ... vanity was so thick I turned the channel

[Fish]

Originally Posted by August

But still pretty darn good for a factory worker. I know telecom technicians who don't make that...

No wonder you need two jobs in the states to pay your mortgage.

And..who actually has the opinion that Hillary Clinton will probably be assassinated? I do..

(And so..he points to the exact location the sniper will be to assassinate Hillary..)

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by AdlerGrosmann

And..who actually has the opinion that Hillary Clinton will probably be assassinated? I do..

(And so..he points to the exact location the sniper will be to assassinate Hillary..)

Is the one on the left Dick Cheney?

[Onkel Neal]

Being poor is crying when you drop the mac and cheese on the floor.

Holy crap! I just found out I'm poor. Don't tell anyone.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

By the way, try learning to respect the opinions and ideas of others AND shut the **** up instead of being a jackass.

No more of that, please. The Brig is very cold this time of year.

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Fish

No wonder you need two jobs in the states to pay your mortgage.

Yes you do need two incomes.

What also hurts for me is that for my wife and I $4,600 a year goes to pay for health and dental. Even at that rate it is not full coverage.

[Husky42]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Agreed and I will venture an unqualfied guess (I need to read more about the canidates than just watch them on CNN).

Mike Huckabee is my best guess:

1. He's a Baptist preacher from Arkansas
2. He wants to finish the fence by 2010 and make everyone register or go home
3. He's the right sex, the right size, the right color, the right age at 52
(John McCain is 72 and was my first choice beofre this poll)
4. He's a Republican (Democrat's raise taxes)(honest injun)
5. He's got the rural vote (that's how Bush beat Al Gore)
6. He likes country music
7. He plays in a rock n roll band that has opened for Willie Nelson
8 He looks like an all American selection to me ... Huckabee in 2008

Facts about Mike Huckabee: http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...63598320071206


* Before entering politics he was a Baptist minister, leading congregations in Pine Bluff and Texarkana, Arkansas.

* Diagnosed in 2003 with Type II diabetes, he began an intensive health regimen that helped him lose 110 pounds (50 kg). He later completed four marathons and wrote a book on how to live a healthier life, "Quit Digging Yor Grave with a Knife and Fork."

* Known for his quick wit and sense of humor, he recently said of his campaign: "It's better to be called a dark horse than a dead horse," and, "There's three tickets out of Iowa -- first class, business class and coach. We hope to have one of those because otherwise you go home freight."

* Huckabee plays in a rock band called "Capitol Offense," and has opened for country singer Willie Nelson.

* He's married and has three grown children. The 52-year-old Republican was born in Hope, Arkansas, also the birthplace of former President Bill Clinton.

Mike Huckabee's immigration plan:http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...ees_immigr.php

The only overall problem I would have with him is his huge religious ties. I am pretty much a Republican/Conservative at heart. Farmers boy, worked on a farm growing up, ride horses, love guns and the military. The only short stick some would say would come on my view of religion and politics. They do not belong together. At all.

A minister in office is dangerous. All those issues surrounding choice are thrown out the window. And I'm sorry but I do believe people need to make their own decisions in the issue that seperates two parties. Even if I myself know I would never make that decision.

This is where Obama comes into play, I may be conservative, but I have no issue voting for him. I think his very in the middle approach is fantastic. He is new to this whole thing and doing a great job so far.

I just came back from the larry the cable guy show in Tri Cities this evening. It was fantastic and I ended up having a conversation while waiting for the show to start with a guy about this whole issue. The interesting thing surrounding it was that we both absolutely do not want crazy hilary in office. She has no real direction or plan, she will destroy our military like her husband did, she will allow immigrants into our country and give them rights. I'm not happy with Bush in this regard either, but thats another story. Hilary is nothing more then a power hungry bitch who deserves nothing. And if she ends up in office, I'll go get a better scope.


I will look into Huckabee a little bit more, but from what I recall he seemed a little extreme.

Back to Obama, he may be a Dem but this is one conservative who will have no problem voting for him if there is no viable alternative on the Right.

Right now, all i see is Ron Paul looking viable as a possible canditate for me to support. But if there is not a enough momentum, well Obama it is.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Husky42

[. The only short stick some would say would come on my view of religion and politics. They do not belong together. At all.

Good point!
Because,... I find this alarming. :hmm:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

This is a Documentary taken from channel 4 on the evangelist's in the USA.

[Letum]

I notice you didn't include me in the poll.
Talk about bias!

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Husky42

[. The only short stick some would say would come on my view of religion and politics. They do not belong together. At all.

Agreed. Something from the Economist on America's atheists, and their political impact/lack of.
http://www.economist.com/daily/news/...30&top_story=1