Ubisoft ain't so Bad

[BlackSpot]

Anyone fancy a pint ?

[Mud]

Originally Posted by BlackSpot

Anyone fancy a pint ?

Mud

[CaptainHaplo]

For those hollering for "MODS" to "do something" - I can only assume that Firewall is in the brig for the issue (since he is in the brig). This is only an assumption - as I am not privy to the decisions of the main mods and Neal.

This site does not condone piracy - and I cannot define this as or not as - piracy - for the site. Nor would I. But suffice it to say that Subsim.com appears to have taken a stand on the issue.

Regardless of your personal views on the matter - whether you think its ok or not, it still demonstrates the fact that the OSP model is a fail. But more importantly for those that read this - is the fact that Subsim.com has (barring Neal or a major Mod correcting me) taken a position on the act, and as such it would be wise for everyone to avoid advocating or rationalizing (giving reasons why it should be "ok") this behavior.

[slikster]

A message to fraudsters.

Fraud is fraud. There is no debate. If you were morally bankrupt enough to do this, that is, return the game and then keep playing, and you think you are somehow justified, you are delusional. If you truly think the game is crap, fine, return it. But stand by your convictions and delete the damn thing. If you don't, it displays a lack of character on your part.

[jerm138]

Why would someone who hated the game so bad that they had to box it up, drive to the store, stand in line, and return it... keep playing the game afterward?

I can only see one logical (though immoral) reason someone would return a game then keep playing it when they got home.

That's just like something to do with a car. I'm still working on an analogy though...

[tater]

Car analogies are tough because there is nothing "real." The best analogy might be to continue to use a concierge/phone service like OnStar even after it has been cancelled.

It's moot to me as I have not, and will not buy any Ubi title with this OSP as it stands on principle. I'd not install it for free, either, as my concern would be EVER getting interrupted by a net/server problem even for a second (that's my only issue).

That said, it's exactly analogous to buying, then canceling a premium cable channel, then finding they had not turned it off. I bet virtually ALL consumers faced with this would watch the unpaid for channel, and effectively there is zero difference—though you are right, doing so would indeed be unethical.

Meh

I don't agree with playing the Game after it was returned.
I also think it was the very Epitome of Stupidity to post that fact here!

May as well have posted a link to the crack!
I can't even play SH5 on my current system.
But I have the Game AND the bill from Amazon.com.

I'd say there are alot of persons here with questionable programs
on thier systems.

But I also say they don't go around bragging about it.
That proves they knew what they were doing.

BALIFF!
Whack his Pee Pee!

[Mud]

analogie: It´s like divorcing your wife and still do her.


Mud

[tater]

I don't agree with buying it so you can return it and keep playing, that shows a sort of premeditation about it that is certainly distasteful. Discovering this after the fact is a different issue, IMO.

That said, it points out another glaring flaw in the dumb OSP system, and is useful to discuss for that reason alone, as a demonstration of how half-baked OSP was. Rushing out a systemic DRM scheme seems even dumber than rushing out a game title

[tater]

Originally Posted by Mud

analogie: It´s like divorcing your wife and still do her.


Mud

Based on what I've heard from divorced friends, it sounds like that would be the most fair from a financial standpoint

[Mud]

Originally Posted by tater

Based on what I've heard from divorced friends, it sounds like that would be the most fair from a financial standpoint

Yeah but if you have a ... point......erm... stand..... you know what, I´ll stop this analogie



Mud

[Sethorion]

Well I just got SH5 today and so far I'm actually quite enjoying it. I had to restart my router once but the game was kind enough to save before kicking me back to my menu.

This DRM isn't anywhere near as bad as the time EA attempted to stop piracy. Imagine SH5 with none of the need for the internet except you can only install it 3-5 times before your key is then made redundant and then you have to buy the game again.

That being said EA did actually come to their senses and remove that DRM but whatever.

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

This site does not condone piracy - and I cannot define this as or not as - piracy - for the site. Nor would I. But suffice it to say that Subsim.com appears to have taken a stand on the issue.

Yes, it seemed more clear cut...last time

[The Enigma]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

For those hollering for "MODS" to "do something" - I can only assume that Firewall is in the brig for the issue (since he is in the brig). This is only an assumption - as I am not privy to the decisions of the main mods and Neal.

This site does not condone piracy - and I cannot define this as or not as - piracy - for the site. Nor would I. But suffice it to say that Subsim.com appears to have taken a stand on the issue.

Regardless of your personal views on the matter - whether you think its ok or not, it still demonstrates the fact that the OSP model is a fail. But more importantly for those that read this - is the fact that Subsim.com has (barring Neal or a major Mod correcting me) taken a position on the act, and as such it would be wise for everyone to avoid advocating or rationalizing (giving reasons why it should be "ok") this behavior.

So, pure hypothetically, if there would appear a mod that changes several
.cfg files (not the exe file!) in such way, that an online connection is no
longer needed, would that be wrong to discuss about?

Again, I'm only talking about a (so far non-existing) mod not a cr*ck.

[msxyz]

From my past experience as a forum administrator in other communities and gaming sites, I can tell you that's always better not to allow open discussion about piracy / cracking / etc... even if the people participating in the discussion keep it civil and mean no harm.

The companies involved are paranoid enough to send ugly letters, if too many threads about piracy spawn. And if you are running a gaming site and you want to have 'exclusive' previews, then you have to be EXTRA nice to the publishers.

I'm sure a lot of us have hard feelings towards UBi policies, but it's pretty useless to incite boicotts, enourage piracy or even mock this company in the open.

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