SH IV...any reason to buy? - Page 6

AVGWarhawk · 01-12-09, 01:36 PM

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

Torplexed · 01-12-09, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees.

joegrundman · 01-12-09, 09:17 PM

this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing.

But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first.

still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often

overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun

AVGWarhawk · 01-13-09, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees.

Hehe...true

AVGWarhawk · 01-13-09, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing.

But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first.

still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often

overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun

Been a long time since I played SH3 and can not recall the rough weather water to be honest. Not knowing much about modding files, I can say that PE4 and Env 5.0 has done wonders with water reaction/action, color and sea foam. I guess for me seeing INTO the water makes the difference for me. But you know what, water is great and all but it is really about game play as you touched on in your last sentence. So mods like GWX, RFB, TMO, OM that really put forth all efforts to make the game play aspect as best that it can be really make the experience what it is. Each game has it's strong points and perhaps one day UBI will compact it all together!

bigboywooly · 01-13-09, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees.

I have a " proper " VIIC in that water
Still looks the same water with a decent sub in it

:rotfl:

IMHO of course

Faamecanic · 01-13-09, 12:03 PM

Yes yes yes... SH4 graphics are FAR superior to SH3. I bought SH4 when it first came out, and played it after each patch...and the conclusion I reached

It cannot hold a candle to SH3 with GWX.

I lost interest in SH4 when I kept getting the same mission/patrol grid over and over and over... even after the patch, and even after throughly completing the missions to include docking at my home base. The second spoiler was the sub acted like it was on a rail in stormy seas. Very little pitching and rolling, coming 3/4 of the way out of the water like it was the "flying dutchman". I havent touched SH4 in over a year now and did not even feel like it was worth the $10-$15 US to get the Uboat expansion. Maybe I will in the future...but for now GWX just holds my attention. Graphics are only 30% of a game IMHO....gameplay and AI are the rest.

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

XLjedi · 01-13-09, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

bigboywooly · 01-13-09, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

I have the uboat exp and dont find that at all
And yes have tried mods - have OM on one of my SH4 installs

Again my opinion
And as someone once said
Opinions are like Ãssholes ,everybody has one

Jimbuna · 01-13-09, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

Fincuan · 01-13-09, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

That would depend mostly on the mod used. For example TMO's "Elite" AI is impossible to shake. Your only chances of survival are to kill him, or hope he runs out of depth charges before scoring a hit on you. I'd say SH4 AI is more dynamic in general, but you still learn pretty much all the tricks after a few careers.

XLjedi · 01-13-09, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

SH3 is far FAR easier... but I'm referring to the detect and evade AI related to the ship captains and you're probably thinking about just the DD's. In SH3 I can even use the standard "S" pattern evade reaction to my advantage.

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.

Jimbuna · 01-13-09, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronblood

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

SH3 is far FAR easier... but I'm referring to the detect and evade AI related to the ship captains and you're probably thinking about just the DD's. In SH3 I can even use the standard "S" pattern evade reaction to my advantage.

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response

Weiss Pinguin · 01-13-09, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronblood

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.

If only the SDK was released...

XLjedi · 01-13-09, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response

Just play the uboat expansion (like 1 or 2 missions out of Penang) without any mods and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now I need you all to get busy on porting over the Type II and VIIC!

01-12-09, 01:36 PM	#76
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,303 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs. The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-12-09, 09:17 PM	#78
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing. But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first. still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

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01-13-09, 12:03 PM	#82
Faamecanic Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Off your Stb side with good solution Posts: 1,065 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Yes yes yes... SH4 graphics are FAR superior to SH3. I bought SH4 when it first came out, and played it after each patch...and the conclusion I reached It cannot hold a candle to SH3 with GWX. I lost interest in SH4 when I kept getting the same mission/patrol grid over and over and over... even after the patch, and even after throughly completing the missions to include docking at my home base. The second spoiler was the sub acted like it was on a rail in stormy seas. Very little pitching and rolling, coming 3/4 of the way out of the water like it was the "flying dutchman". I havent touched SH4 in over a year now and did not even feel like it was worth the $10-$15 US to get the Uboat expansion. Maybe I will in the future...but for now GWX just holds my attention. Graphics are only 30% of a game IMHO....gameplay and AI are the rest. Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.