No long range missiles for USN

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

I don't see how all that gobledygook has anything to do with an F-117A which was shot down over Yugosliavia. Frankly. So I'll just answer: weejooma doo ba ba, smchelkzsda!

Me neither. That wasn't even my main drive.

As for your point about a spoiling attack. You do realise countries have laws too, yes?

If Saddam cared about international laws, maybe he wouldn't have invaded Kuwait in the first place.

So if Saddam, at the time, had attacked Coalition forces massing in say, Saudi Arabia...you do realise what that would mean, yes? It would mean the whole muslim world would side against Iraq considering Saudi Arabia is "holy land" to muslims and Saddam was considered pretty much an infidel. So, Saddam would've been in even more trouble.

If he wins (gets Saudi oilfields and the like), then he would probably have enough geopolitical power to temporarily deter his enemies, much as they hate him, and he'd have enough of the oil to make even the West cautious. If he loses, it doesn't matter either way. Militarily, I'd much prefer having some Arabs about to attack me than the United States.

You also forget that moving his ground forces would make him vulnerable to attack

They were plenty vulnerable enough anyway. Might as well try attacking. That is, by the way, what the Soviet air defense systems (his SA-6s and -8s) they had were meant to do - defend an advancing force for a relatively limited period of time until it finishes its objective (or so the plan stipulates). Not sit there for two months while planes with equipment their successors were designed to hopefully match bomb them.

and his ground forces without close aerial support (which they never had either in the Gulf War or the Iraq War) would be sitting ducks anyway. And...you forget that some bombers, such as the B-2 fly out of bases a long long way away....how could he manage that?

The B-2 wasn't in service yet in 1991, pal. Sorry. The B-1B and B-52 can do so, but they don't have PGMs so their accuracy will be low. The B-52 will likely be relegated to firing cruise missiles. The B-1B - there are only 100 of them, and they are only semi-stealthy.

And the best part is ... the American system will be incomplete, while their's would be in the best possible state. This gives them a much better chance - certainly far better than the one they actually had, which was to let the Americans complete their set piece and employ their Superpower grade System in all its glory versus a Third World Regional grade System...

Thank God you're not a military strategist. Fact remains, countries like Iran, Iraq etc. are sitting ducks when it comes to a conventional military campaign.

Since you are qualifying your statement in such a way, what are we arguing over. Even though our reasons are slightly different, I'm not disagreeing with you on this general point.

[Deathblow]

This thread done be hijacked! YeeeeeeeHaaaaaa!!!
"Round up the horses boys! We done got us a stray!":p

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Me neither. That wasn't even my main drive.

LOL....me neither.

If Saddam cared about international laws, maybe he wouldn't have invaded Kuwait in the first place.

Yes, but...there's invading, then there is INVADING. You know, while he was at it, why didn't he call Chairman Mao a poopy pants and Yeltsin a drunk (wait a minute...he was). He already had his hands full and anyway, Saddams Republican Guard did penetrate into Saudi soil I believe with a view at possible capturing the oil fields....that's why they sent...top of my head...was it the 7th cav? I can't remember...not bothered looking it up.

If he wins (gets Saudi oilfields and the like), then he would probably have enough geopolitical power to temporarily deter his enemies, much as they hate him, and he'd have enough of the oil to make even the West cautious. If he loses, it doesn't matter either way. Militarily, I'd much prefer having some Arabs about to attack me than the United States.

See post above...the scenario is a bit far fetched considering you're back to square one, because if he "wins", presuming he wants to keep the oil fields, he'll have to dig in....and be vulnerable to airstrikes.

They were plenty vulnerable enough anyway. Might as well try attacking. That is, by the way, what the Soviet air defense systems (his SA-6s and -8s) they had were meant to do - defend an advancing force for a relatively limited period of time until it finishes its objective (or so the plan stipulates). Not sit there for two months while planes with equipment their successors were designed to hopefully match bomb them.

Yeah but that's with hindsight...Saddam was certain his T-72s could give the Abrams a fight...though everyone was convinced it would be a one-sided one, nobody would've put money on it being a massacre. Same with the Apache's and then you had the hype about his being the "4th largest army in the world, 1 million men blah blah". Who knew...

The B-2 wasn't in service yet in 1991, pal. Sorry. The B-1B and B-52 can do so, but they don't have PGMs so their accuracy will be low. The B-52 will likely be relegated to firing cruise missiles. The B-1B - there are only 100 of them, and they are only semi-stealthy.

Not I mentioned the Iraq War in the same sentence.

And the best part is ... the American system will be incomplete, while their's would be in the best possible state. This gives them a much better chance - certainly far better than the one they actually had, which was to let the Americans complete their set piece and employ their Superpower grade System in all its glory versus a Third World Regional grade System...



Since you are qualifying your statement in such a way, what are we arguing over. Even though our reasons are slightly different, I'm not disagreeing with you on this general point.

Ok then...now back on topic...NO LONG RANGE MISSILES FOR THE US NAVY?

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Ok then...now back on topic...NO LONG RANGE MISSILES FOR THE US NAVY?

I'ld say that its probably too late for that. No worries.

[PeriscopeDepth]

AIM-120D + AESA should go a long way to improving the SH's fleet defender capabilities. Not on par with the Tomcat's reach, but markedly better than present capabilities I would think.

PD

[XabbaRus]

In SCX Thomas with a bit of fudging got SSBNs able to launch SLBMs.

He had two versions of each SSBN in the database, one with missiles one without.

Now with a better physics model that allows a ballistic trajectory would you be able to have SSBNs that can launch?

Although the map is only 600x600 it could add that little bit more urgency in hunting boomers if only for fun value.

I think it would be something worth looking at.

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

In SCX Thomas with a bit of fudging got SSBNs able to launch SLBMs.

He had two versions of each SSBN in the database, one with missiles one without.
Now with a better physics model that allows a ballistic trajectory would you be able to have SSBNs that can launch?
Although the map is only 600x600 it could add that little bit more urgency in hunting boomers if only for fun value.
I think it would be something worth looking at.

Has nothing to do with the Phoenix missile but an interesting idea none the less.

What could be easily done is to add a TLAM or LAM to the game with a flight altitude setting of whatever the maximum altitude of the sim is. The missile would launch just like a TLAM, but would set its altitude for 90,000 ft (or whatever the highest altitude is) and then fly to the target and do a strike just like a TLAM. It would probably only take one or two lines added to the TLAM doctrine language as well.

Probably wouldn't be that much work. I've put a Rattlers into my own game with a 5000ft cruise altitue (the Rattlers isn't a sea skimmer) and only had to change the "SetAlt = 5000" instead of "50" and it works great as a high diving missile.

Add some more launchers to the SSBNs and make a higher flying cruise and it should be just enough to make a decent SLBM sim... Thoretically that is...

[LuftWolf]

Moved.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...d=1#post264677