Alec Baldwin formally charged with Manslaughter in 'Rust’ shooting of Halyna Hutchins - Page 5

Skybird · 07-13-24, 04:10 AM

I always saw this "case" as a comical farce. If he would have been sentenced, then thousands of film and stage actors who ever fired a weapon in a scene or tried to jab a pirate or kill a cowboy with bows and arrows or fought in a movie war would be guilty of attempted slaughter. Not to mention the camera crews who shot the movie. And the directors and script writers figuring out the murderous plans. And the movie companies financing the plots. In prison with them all!

Idiotic. But illustrating how wide the gap between abstract jurisdiction and practical everyday reality has become. That this was even possible to unfold until here, is an alarm signal - and not the first.

What was to be examined is why the cartridges where there and the role of the weapons ward. But if you cannot prove that Baldwin should have known it was live ammo he held in his hand, leave him alone. On a film set, you expect dummy weapons being held an another actor's head. To declare this act in itself a case of attempted or completed slaughter, is the perverting of reason and sanity. You must then ban all theatre playing and stage acting.

And no, I do not necessarily like Baldwin, I perceived him as quite arrogant before this all broke loose.

Rockstar · 07-13-24, 04:37 AM

It wasn’t play toy or a stage prop it was a real honest to goodness firearm as defined by 18 USC § 921(a)(3). The one pulling the trigger is ultimately responsible for what if anything comes out the business end of it.

Doesn’t matter who handed you a gun. The number one rule of gun safety is to always assume the gun is loaded.

A technicality is what got Baldwin out of trouble with the law. Such is the benefit of the rich and famous I guess. hehe

Skybird · 07-13-24, 04:51 AM

An actor is an actor, he pretends to be somebody else but he is not that somebody. I do not see him being responsible for the costumes and props. If one follows your logic, than nobody with a sane mind will volunteer to work as a stage or movie actor anymore.

Somebody was responsible, obviously, for causally causing that life ammo was on the set. It should not even have been there. Why was it, who allowed that to happen? That is the only question valid here. And wasn't the weapons ward there, wasn't it her job, to maintain the weapon and secure its safe loading with blanks...? If not, what else was her job then, if not this...?

And can an actor, who may never have studied for a gun license, even distinguish a blank cartridge from a hot one? He is handed a weapon for the scene and assumes - and must be allowed to assume! - that it is a theater weapon with blanks. OF COURSE! Because he is shooting a scene only, is not doing real life stuff.

This "case" made is absurd. Clear the causality behind why life ammo was even there and how it got into the weapon. Thats the real and th only case. Or does Baldwin privately own a live weapon and used this his own private weapon to shoot the scene...? Hardly.

Anyway, its over.

Jimbuna · 07-13-24, 06:43 AM

The armourer may yet face another trial.

Dowly · 07-13-24, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

A technicality is what got Baldwin out of trouble with the law. Such is the benefit of the rich and famous I guess. hehe

It was a bit more than just "a technicality".

At some point, I think on day 2, the defence made it known that some of the evidence (ammunition) had been filed under different case # and no one had notified them about it. From there, the entirety of day 3 was spent on the motion to dismiss. At first a detective and a crime scene technician gave some excuses as to why it was filed under a different case #, even the judge started to ask questions from them.

The judge started to get more and more pissed off at the situation and eventually asked the detective who made the decision to use a different case #. To everyone's surprise, among other people, she also mentioned Morrissey - the lead prosecutor as having been a part in making that decision.

And then things went downhill fast... culminating in Morrissey voluntarily, without request, to take the witness stand to give her side of the story under oath. Of course, being now in the witness stand also opened her to questions from his competition. The defence attorney demolished her, asking about people who had resigned under her, whether she had called Baldwin names etc. etc.

EDIT: Oh, forgot to say that the ammunition in question likely wasn't even from the Rust set, so would have been useless for both sides. The prosecution sabotaged their own case for no reason.

Not that I think there was a case to begin with, I fully agree with Skybird on this. Baldwin was given a gun that passed through two people, both of whom should have checked it, but didn't.

Platapus · 07-13-24, 06:32 PM

We do have the best judicial system money can buy.

It is good to be rich and a celebrity.

If riff-raff like I had done this, I would already be in jail.

Aktungbby · 07-13-24, 09:35 PM

The prosecution's ineptness notwithstanding, Alec Baldwin, actor, is and should be free on the gunfire issue. As with actor Michael Massee firing an supposed blank shell loaded weapon with an unnoticed jammed previous shell in the middle of the barrel, killing Brandon Lee(son of Bruce Lee)in the filming of The Crow some 30 years ago, the responsibility rests soley with the armorer...not the actor. Massee was never held responsible. To the extent that Baldwin is also wearing the producer hat, he does bear the considerable fiduciary burden(lawsuits) and compensation to the victims: ie: the husband of the deceased cinematogapher has been made an executive producer on the film. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/11500...alyna-hutchins https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2544339.html

Gorpet · 07-28-24, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

It wasn’t play toy or a stage prop it was a real honest to goodness firearm as defined by 18 USC § 921(a)(3). The one pulling the trigger is ultimately responsible for what if anything comes out the business end of it.

Doesn’t matter who handed you a gun. The number one rule of gun safety is to always assume the gun is loaded.

A technicality is what got Baldwin out of trouble with the law. Such is the benefit of the rich and famous I guess. hehe

Ok,Let's do another real scenario.I'm an ac tech installing ductwork through the truss structure of a new house working below. At the same time roofers are laying plywood above and shooting it down with high powered nail guns.Now if one of those nails miss the truss and hit me in the head. It would be the guy who pulled the trigger of the nail gun, right ? Even though there were coridenators on that job site, Paid to make sure that didn't happen. So the roofer is now guilty of murder.

The prosecution was found guilty of withholding and hiding evidence. Me my self i do not want to travel thru that county anytime.Fumbelinas rule !

em2nought · 07-29-24, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorpet

Ok,Let's do another real scenario.I'm an ac tech installing ductwork through the truss structure of a new house working below. At the same time roofers are laying plywood above and shooting it down with high powered nail guns.Now if one of those nails miss the truss and hit me in the head. It would be the guy who pulled the trigger of the nail gun, right ?

I wouldn't do that job while those dudes were up there.

I wonder when Alec is gonna resume his "role" on SNL again?

Skybird · 01-10-25, 10:52 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c897wykz2qpo

Very well, I think and I feel that he is right and has all right to do so. What they tried to get him charged for, appeared as hilarious to me from beginning on.

It was an accident, probably caused by negligence on the part of the armorer. They tried to frame Baldwin for manslaughter and turned it into an agenda “against the rich man”. Those responsible for this derailment of the law should be held accountable. It was an abuse of their position.

Platapus · 01-10-25, 04:32 PM

I think this was a poor decision and will end up hurting him.

He already got away with it. Good to be rich enough for a good lawyer. He won. If he were smart, he would do nothing and wait for the public to forget about it.

Skybird · 01-10-25, 04:44 PM

I dont predict how it will end, but morally and regarding his reputation and integrity and regarding the accountability of the persecutors it was the right thing to do. As I see it the prosecutors did not just fail to convince the court, but they actively corrupted their work and their work's results to push an agenda. In this I agree with Baldwin's charges, by my limited-in-range perception of the events and procedures, of course.

You must not accept to just get bend over and rammed into your rear end and afterwards you are being told to just be happy to have escaped and that you better stay put. A question of self respect, and probably also bitterness for the long time of fear for his freedom he was exposed to for - as I see it - never valid reasons.

It was fine and necessary and proper to have an investigation. That he was charged I never agreed with. The reasons and arguments - or shall I say: the foul excuses - given for that decision to charge him I always found utmost ridiculous and illogical.

I hope his case succeeds. And I do not even like the man.

Gorpet · 01-12-25, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

I think this was a poor decision and will end up hurting him.

He already got away with it. Good to be rich enough for a good lawyer. He won. If he were smart, he would do nothing and wait for the public to forget about it.

What did he get away with ? Murder ? Do you really think, Alec Baldwin planned to kill this woman on a set where he knew cameras would be recording the entire scene. And there would be 20 or more people working and setting the scene up. And he is going to have a gun loaded with a live round so he can shoot her and kill her on purpose during the rehearsal of the scene.

And with all we know today, You think he got away with it.. Murder it has to be Murder right ? Cause nobody likes Alec Baldwin.

In 2007 his wayward 12 year old daughter wasn't getting her way with daddy so she and some adults recorded a private voicemail between him and her and released it to the public. And we have all heard that...And today because of it, Every parent assumes they will be recorded by their children. So it must be Nicey,nicey and don't forget your Pronouns.

Is Alec Baldwin a murder no. I don't believe so and after his social justice experience, I don't believe he will be voting Democrat in the future. Oh damn woke bit him in the a$$

Raf1394 · 01-12-25, 03:13 AM

Its a sad story for Alec Baldwin.
Would be interesting to know, how the court would be or the justice system 20 years ago.

Gorpet · 01-17-25, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raf1394

Its a sad story for Alec Baldwin.
Would be interesting to know, how the court would be or the justice system 20 years ago.

20 yrs past.Who knows ? Find a judge in your hometown and ask them the next time you see them at the Costco. Sorry for the late reply, but Joey has got us working...Picking up anything anybody throws out on their side walk we can take to the scrap yard.

07-13-24, 04:10 AM	#61
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,768 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I always saw this "case" as a comical farce. If he would have been sentenced, then thousands of film and stage actors who ever fired a weapon in a scene or tried to jab a pirate or kill a cowboy with bows and arrows or fought in a movie war would be guilty of attempted slaughter. Not to mention the camera crews who shot the movie. And the directors and script writers figuring out the murderous plans. And the movie companies financing the plots. In prison with them all! Idiotic. But illustrating how wide the gap between abstract jurisdiction and practical everyday reality has become. That this was even possible to unfold until here, is an alarm signal - and not the first. What was to be examined is why the cartridges where there and the role of the weapons ward. But if you cannot prove that Baldwin should have known it was live ammo he held in his hand, leave him alone. On a film set, you expect dummy weapons being held an another actor's head. To declare this act in itself a case of attempted or completed slaughter, is the perverting of reason and sanity. You must then ban all theatre playing and stage acting. And no, I do not necessarily like Baldwin, I perceived him as quite arrogant before this all broke loose. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-13-24, 04:51 AM	#63
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,768 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	An actor is an actor, he pretends to be somebody else but he is not that somebody. I do not see him being responsible for the costumes and props. If one follows your logic, than nobody with a sane mind will volunteer to work as a stage or movie actor anymore. Somebody was responsible, obviously, for causally causing that life ammo was on the set. It should not even have been there. Why was it, who allowed that to happen? That is the only question valid here. And wasn't the weapons ward there, wasn't it her job, to maintain the weapon and secure its safe loading with blanks...? If not, what else was her job then, if not this...? And can an actor, who may never have studied for a gun license, even distinguish a blank cartridge from a hot one? He is handed a weapon for the scene and assumes - and must be allowed to assume! - that it is a theater weapon with blanks. OF COURSE! Because he is shooting a scene only, is not doing real life stuff. This "case" made is absurd. Clear the causality behind why life ammo was even there and how it got into the weapon. Thats the real and th only case. Or does Baldwin privately own a live weapon and used this his own private weapon to shoot the scene...? Hardly. Anyway, its over. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-13-24, 06:43 AM	#64
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,291 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The armourer may yet face another trial. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-13-24, 06:32 PM	#66
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,425 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	We do have the best judicial system money can buy. It is good to be rich and a celebrity. If riff-raff like I had done this, I would already be in jail. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-13-24, 09:35 PM	#67
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,136 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	The prosecution's ineptness notwithstanding, Alec Baldwin, actor, is and should be free on the gunfire issue. As with actor Michael Massee firing an supposed blank shell loaded weapon with an unnoticed jammed previous shell in the middle of the barrel, killing Brandon Lee(son of Bruce Lee)in the filming of The Crow some 30 years ago, the responsibility rests soley with the armorer...not the actor. Massee was never held responsible. To the extent that Baldwin is also wearing the producer hat, he does bear the considerable fiduciary burden(lawsuits) and compensation to the victims: ie: the husband of the deceased cinematogapher has been made an executive producer on the film. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/11500...alyna-hutchins https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2544339.html __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!! Last edited by Aktungbby; 07-13-24 at 10:04 PM.

07-13-24, 04:37 AM	#62
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It wasn’t play toy or a stage prop it was a real honest to goodness firearm as defined by 18 USC § 921(a)(3). The one pulling the trigger is ultimately responsible for what if anything comes out the business end of it. Doesn’t matter who handed you a gun. The number one rule of gun safety is to always assume the gun is loaded. A technicality is what got Baldwin out of trouble with the law. Such is the benefit of the rich and famous I guess. hehe

01-10-25, 10:52 AM	#70
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,768 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c897wykz2qpo Very well, I think and I feel that he is right and has all right to do so. What they tried to get him charged for, appeared as hilarious to me from beginning on. It was an accident, probably caused by negligence on the part of the armorer. They tried to frame Baldwin for manslaughter and turned it into an agenda “against the rich man”. Those responsible for this derailment of the law should be held accountable. It was an abuse of their position. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-10-25, 04:32 PM	#71
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,425 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I think this was a poor decision and will end up hurting him. He already got away with it. Good to be rich enough for a good lawyer. He won. If he were smart, he would do nothing and wait for the public to forget about it. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-10-25, 04:44 PM	#72
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,768 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I dont predict how it will end, but morally and regarding his reputation and integrity and regarding the accountability of the persecutors it was the right thing to do. As I see it the prosecutors did not just fail to convince the court, but they actively corrupted their work and their work's results to push an agenda. In this I agree with Baldwin's charges, by my limited-in-range perception of the events and procedures, of course. You must not accept to just get bend over and rammed into your rear end and afterwards you are being told to just be happy to have escaped and that you better stay put. A question of self respect, and probably also bitterness for the long time of fear for his freedom he was exposed to for - as I see it - never valid reasons. It was fine and necessary and proper to have an investigation. That he was charged I never agreed with. The reasons and arguments - or shall I say: the foul excuses - given for that decision to charge him I always found utmost ridiculous and illogical. I hope his case succeeds. And I do not even like the man. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-12-25, 03:13 AM	#74
Raf1394 Captain Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: Europe Posts: 525 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Its a sad story for Alec Baldwin. Would be interesting to know, how the court would be or the justice system 20 years ago.

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