Just when thought he could not stoop any lower...

[Bubblehead1980]

Barack Obama comes out and continues to speak on the Martin case, further revealing his thinly veiled racism and victim mentality.Almost in a whiny tone, Obama talked about how "almost no african american man" has been on an elevator and a white woman has not grasped her purse tighter" and that "if Trayvon had been a white boy, the verdict would be different" Are you kidding me? This victim mentality has got to go, it's what is holding back black people in this country, if anything even is.

[garren]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Barack Obama comes out and continues to speak on the Martin case, further revealing his thinly veiled racism and victim mentality.Almost in a whiny tone, Obama talked about how "almost no african american man" has been on an elevator and a white woman has not grasped her purse tighter" and that "if Trayvon had been a white boy, the verdict would be different" Are you kidding me? This victim mentality has got to go, it's what is holding back black people in this country, if anything even is.

I agree. And I'm black. Obama is harping on the race thing. I just pulled it on Steve to see if I could get some sympathy from him but I don't think it worked. He's got a heart of stone that one.

[Sailor Steve]

In this case I tend to agree as well. I haven't read the whole speech, but if it's been quoted accurately then my response to "If it had been a white boy, the verdict would have been different" would be "Tell that to O.J."

If it hasn't been quoted accurately then there may be trouble ahead.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In this case I tend to agree as well. I haven't read the whole speech, but if it's been quoted accurately then my response to "If it had been a white boy, the verdict would have been different" would be "Tell that to O.J."

If it hasn't been quoted accurately then there may be trouble ahead.

It's accurate, just watch the news, its all over.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

It's accurate, just watch the news, its all over.

I believe he said it "might" have been a different outcome.

BO:

Folks understand the challenges that exist for African-American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there's no context for it and that context is being denied. And that all contributes, I think, to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.

[AVGWarhawk]

The true failing here is BO. The once great uniter is in reality a great divider! What has BO done to advance racial relations?

[garren]

I just want to know why Obama murdered 3 Americans overseas without a proper trial via drone attack? He killed a 16 year old American citizen without giving him a fair trial (due process is part of the Constitution is it not?) and he's judging Zimmerman for killing a 17 year old who actually physically attacked him? Didn't Obama racially profile that Muslim kid just the same? Pot calling the kettle black. Obama's killed many more people than Zimmerman and people praise Obama if they voted for him. He's got more blood on his hands than most. Takes his pants off one leg at a time just like anyone else. I don't believe that the defense of the US calls for premeditated murder of 16 year olds.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I believe he said it "might" have been a different outcome.

BO:

Okay, splitting hairs here.Might have been different in that context, is a subtle way of saying, it would have.I do that crap all the time when have to walk the line on how I say things in class etc, its a tactic one is forced to use in "politically correct" world of ours.Obvious what he was saying though, that if it were a white boy, the verdict would have been different.There is no way around it, otherwise he would not have said it but it does leave some ability o deny he was outright saying that.Speechwriter did well on that.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by garren

I just pulled it on Steve to see if I could get some sympathy from him but I don't think it worked. He's got a heart of stone that one.

You seem to want to get more and more personal. It's not appreciated.

[AVGWarhawk]

Read the entire 17 minute speech. It is not quite what you think. Each news outfit cherry picked to fit their agenda!

The speech was fine IMO. Racism still exists. It is the big elephant in the room people try to ignore. Has it gotten better as BO states? Absolutely. Has this case presented other ongoing issues in society as BO states. Yes. Does the SYG law need to be examined as BO suggest. Yes.

As you stated Steve, the quoting is not accurate.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Read the entire 17 minute speech. It is not quite what you think. Each news outfit cherry picked to fit their agenda!

The speech was fine IMO. Racism still exists. It is the big elephant in the room people try to ignore. Has it gotten better as BO states? Absolutely. Has this case presented other ongoing issues in society as BO states. Yes. Does the SYG law need to be examined as BO suggest. Yes.

As you stated Steve, the quoting is not accurate.

Okay, the speech was not fine .Racism will always exist.However, widespread institutional racism towards blacks is gone, actually its tilted towards whites now, it's called affirmative action.

Anyways, racism is not a factor in every single incident between people of different colors, its racist to assume that it is.Racism is an excuse used to try and mitigate things.They don't want to admit(despite evidence) that Martin was a punk kid who picked a fight with the wrong person.Tragic? Yes but it's what happens when one acts stupidly.There is no racism here.Zimmerman tutored black children, had plenty of black friends, is a freaking Democrat who voted for obama.Racism? profling? NO. Bottom line, obama and many in the community share a racist, victim mentality and even when they know they are wrong , they use it as a cop out.

Obama showed his thinly veiled racism yet again, all he did was stir the fire, but that is what he wants, he is a lefty, lefties like dividing people up, its how they get power because if everyone was united and thinking clearly, not susceptible to emotional things like racism etc, theyd never win elections, they sure as hell dont win on rationality.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You seem to want to get more and more personal. It's not appreciated.

Duly noted.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by garren

I agree. And I'm black. Obama is harping on the race thing. I just pulled it on Steve to see if I could get some sympathy from him but I don't think it worked. He's got a heart of stone that one.

Okay, perhaps it's personal but it's a question I always ask, some black friends of mine have been very candid. This is why can't paint everyone with the same brush, even if there is a majority in any group, etc.

Obviously, you do not have a victim mentality.May I ask, how did this come about? Were you parents the type that taught you better or did you reach this on your own, seeing how absurd and ridiculous it is ?

I think about school every time I discuss this case as we had some intense discussions last year when this case first broke. Most black students had victim mentality, but a few were objective and fair enough to say "sounds like self defense to me". I am sure when classes resume in the fall there will be plenty of discussion.

I look at it through my way of growing as well. I was raised in church, to believe in god etc all that. Not hardcore christians or anything but typical while southern suburban people. I, on my own grew away from it and am an atheist.No major event or anything, just saw it all as a load of crap.Meeting other atheists, that is the path most take, but some were fortunate their parents didnt push religion on them from a young age.This make me curious when I meet someone from the AA community who does not buy into the racist crap.

[AVGWarhawk]

My college room mate is black. He never played the victim. However, there was plenty of times that he experience what I would call minor incidents of racism. Might have been a bar that was predominantly white. Odd looks. Served last. Crap like that. Other similar situations. However, I would run into the same in bars that were predominantly black that we would frequent. Oddly enough, we had the best of both worlds. Outstanding person, extremely intelligent, hilarious beyond measure and life long friend.

[garren]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Okay, perhaps it's personal but it's a question I always ask, some black friends of mine have been very candid. This is why can't paint everyone with the same brush, even if there is a majority in any group, etc.

Obviously, you do not have a victim mentality.May I ask, how did this come about? Were you parents the type that taught you better or did you reach this on your own, seeing how absurd and ridiculous it is ?

I think about school every time I discuss this case as we had some intense discussions last year when this case first broke. Most black students had victim mentality, but a few were objective and fair enough to say "sounds like self defense to me". I am sure when classes resume in the fall there will be plenty of discussion.

I look at it through my way of growing as well. I was raised in church, to believe in god etc all that. Not hardcore christians or anything but typical while southern suburban people. I, on my own grew away from it and am an atheist.No major event or anything, just saw it all as a load of crap.Meeting other atheists, that is the path most take, but some were fortunate their parents didnt push religion on them from a young age.This make me curious when I meet someone from the AA community who does not buy into the racist crap.

Who would you be more angry at if you were taken from your native home land and brought to another country? The man from the North in that country who sold you or the man from the South who bought you?

I grew up outside Atlanta, GA. My great great grandfather, a black man, fought for the South during the US Civil war. His father before him was a slave and his father before him was brought to America on a slave ship and sold out of Boston, MA. to a Southern plantation owner in Alabama.

My father explained it to me very well when I was younger. There's more evil in selling a man than owning him. He also explained to me how the 3/5th compromise was worked out. The North wanted to abolish slavery. They already got the Southern man's money. They also wanted to Unionize the states. The South didn't agree with Unionizing unless the black slaves in the South could vote but they also wanted to keep their slaves. They paid for them after all. Don't you like to keep the possessions you paid for? I know I do.

A slave back then was worth what you'd pay for a car today. Imagine if you paid for a car and then the man you bought it from said, "Well, I don't agree with you owning that car anymore I sold you". You'd not like that either. Especially after that same man had already gotten your money and wasn't going to give that money back to you for what you'd already paid him for the car.

So the North created the "3/5ths compromise". This would allow the folks in the South to keep their slaves and would Unionize the states. But the black man was not allowed to vote as part of the conditions of the compromise. But once the states became Unionized the North once again wanted to renege on that 3/5th compromise as well and abolish slavery. In turn the Southern states attempted to secede from the Union as that was a condition of the 3/5ths compromise in the first place. But then you know the rest. Lincoln didn't like the South trying to leave his tyrannical control and the War of Union aggression began.

While I don't like the idea of slavery I can understand the white man in the South's position better than I can the white man in the North. Let us not forget that once the North won the war they still didn't give blacks full equal rights for many many years after. It was all a money grab in my opinion. My American ancestry gets it's family name from the man who paid for us, put us to work, fed us, educated us, and sheltered us. It was passed down that he was a good man.

The (mis)treatment of slaves in the South. Most of it is inaccurate. There's lots of stories but what many don't realize is that many blacks of the time were not civilized and earned their beatings by committing uncivilized acts on other slaves such as a male slave raping a female slave. A slave master had an obligation to punish that slave harshly in front of the rest so they would learn to not do that. What they did in Africa was no longer tolerated in America. Very few slave masters just beat slaves just to beat them. You wouldn't buy a car just to smash it all up. If the car acted up you might get out of it and kick it.

I feel like much of the truth has been covered up by the winner of the war. They made themselves out to be Saints and act like they did the black man a favor. But really they just wanted to deport us back to Africa. They got their money from the rich men of the South and wanted to deport us back to Africa. There's evidence that's what Lincoln wanted to do.

So I consider myself an educated black man. I've heard all sides of the story but I go with what my father told me about it because he got it from his father before him and so on. That carries the most weight with me.

Many blacks were not educated until long after the war. So they've only heard the side of the story the North wanted them to hear. But many have forgotten it was them who sold us into slavery to being with. Almost all slaves were sold out of New York and Boston.

So that's my deal and why I've always supported more conservative values. I often get asked, "Are you saying you want to be a slave? The North did you a favor!" No they didn't. Stop lying to yourselves. And no, nobody wants to be a slave but at least the white man in the South that paid for us found value in us and put us to work and put a roof over our heads and fed us. There was more evil in those who sold us to the Southern white man. Never forget it.