Some thoughts

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

The Lake House

YES! That's the one.

I saw the last half hour of that. I had a friend who had seen it explain the rest of what happened in the movie.

[Mittelwaechter]

The one behind the mailboxes position couldn't leave a message for the one ahead.

Behind can connect to a position ahead, but ahead can't connect to a position behind.

The location-strings expand in only one direction.

At least if we respect there is only our common event horizon - to support TarJak's comment.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

The one behind the mailboxes position couldn't leave a message for the one ahead.

Behind can connect to a position ahead, but ahead can't connect to a position behind.

Point being, if a time machine were to be invented we can only go to the future if I understand this correctly?

If a string connected that went both ways...wouldn't it work the same?

Something like this:

Two people in the same universe.

Exactly one year apart.

One travels back and the other travels forward and they meet in the middle...in...oh...say St. Louis underneath the Gateway Arch. (Appropriate enough)

If what you say is being interpreted correctly, the person in the future who traveled back would be underneath the arch....but couldn't be there at the exact location-time as the person from the past...

And this is assuming that no events have been changed by other time travelers.... Maybe I'm thinking too much again.


Another question:

How the hell do you people know so much about something that isn't possible?

[Mittelwaechter]

We do live in a "time machine" that travels into the future - using common terminology.

You want a mechanical or electronical device that sends you through time, but time, future or past is only a concept based on our existence here and now - following our path through space - to there and then.

If we invent a time machine that works to your liking, it would work to your liking and send us around in any direction and to any event. Your question is a paradox.

If there exists a parallel universe, or even multiple ones and if we were able to get access, there is no guarantee it or they would be a copy of our universe just in different timeframes behind or ahead of us.

The longer a universe exists, the more random events occur. I guess this would be true in any more or less consimilar recognizable universes. A second later the bus would have hit the tree, you know. And that planet would have hit that star...

Two people in the same universe, exactly one year apart?
Wouldn't this make them simply of different age?

If someone from a non existent future jumps into our timeframe to a certain location and someone who started yesterday and traveld through time - maybe even at normal speed (!) - to this exact same location - and both try to conquer suddenly the exact same space?

This must be the moment my wife understands the offside rule, I guess.

Joke aside, I don't know why you doubt it. You and me - from our timeframe - can't conquer the exact same space. Wherever we go, we push the surrounding media away. Radiation waves float though us, but I think they conquer only empty space between our atoms.

A moment is the description of the location of every object - no matter how small or huge - in the universe. If you alter this description, it would not be that moment any more.

Assume it's like a photo shot.

And this leads us to a kind of "time machine". You want to manipulate a moment in the past? Photoshop is the closest thing to a time machine we have. It manipulates the conservation of a moment in time, but doesn't have to destruct the original.

Remember, this knowlege is only theory. At least for those of us who didn't jump though time.


Edit: https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/rele...nications.html

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

How the hell do you people know so much about something that isn't possible?

Try not to think of taxpayer money being given to scientists to generate these rules for something that has not been proven can even be done.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Try not to think of taxpayer money being given to scientists to generate these rules for something that has not been proven can even be done.

TRY NOT TO READ THIS.....TRY NOT TO READ THIS.....

AH! I READ IT!

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

We do live in a "time machine" that travels into the future - using common terminology.

You want a mechanical or electronical device that sends you through time, but time, future or past is only a concept based on our existence here and now - following our path through space - to there and then.

If we invent a time machine that works to your liking, it would work to your liking and send us around in any direction and to any event. Your question is a paradox.

If there exists a parallel universe, or even multiple ones and if we were able to get access, there is no guarantee it or they would be a copy of our universe just in different timeframes behind or ahead of us.

The longer a universe exists, the more random events occur. I guess this would be true in any more or less consimilar recognizable universes. A second later the bus would have hit the tree, you know. And that planet would have hit that star...

Two people in the same universe, exactly one year apart?
Wouldn't this make them simply of different age?

If someone from a non existent future jumps into our timeframe to a certain location and someone who started yesterday and traveld through time - maybe even at normal speed (!) - to this exact same location - and both try to conquer suddenly the exact same space?

This must be the moment my wife understands the offside rule, I guess.

Joke aside, I don't know why you doubt it. You and me - from our timeframe - can't conquer the exact same space. Wherever we go, we push the surrounding media away. Radiation waves float though us, but I think they conquer only empty space between our atoms.

A moment is the description of the location of every object - no matter how small or huge - in the universe. If you alter this description, it would not be that moment any more.

Assume it's like a photo shot.

And this leads us to a kind of "time machine". You want to manipulate a moment in the past? Photoshop is the closest thing to a time machine we have. It manipulates the conservation of a moment in time, but doesn't have to destruct the original.

Remember, this knowlege is only theory. At least for those of us who didn't jump though time.

So....

A time machine in the common sense cannot exist?

[Wolferz]

"We" are the time machines.
Think about it.

[Spiced_Rum]

Is it Fate or Destiny. Do we have Free Will? Are the choices you make really choices. What do the voices in your head tell you to do?

Edit: Whichever choice I make, the queue I join is always the slowest one even if it is shorter than the others.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

So....

A time machine in the common sense cannot exist?

As far as I know, we don't know.

You may already have observed, in theory there is no difference between theory and praxis.

Maybe some people send information through time right now, manifesting itself as little voices in Spiced_Rum's head?

Stay curious!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

How the hell do you people know so much about something that isn't possible?

They don't. We don't. I don't. It's all speculation. What is being discussed is the possibilities. Mittelwaechter doesn't know any more about time travel than you do. He just thinks about it more. This is a good thing.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Spiced_Rum

Edit: Whichever choice I make, the queue I join is always the slowest one even if it is shorter than the others.

Murphy's Laws for lines.

1. The line you're in is always slowest.

2. Switching lines makes the one you were in speed up an the one you moved to slow down.

3. Switching back makes both lines stop and everybody mad at you.

[Platapus]

I am still waiting for someone to invent a device that can simply detect time.

I am not even asking to measure time, just detect "time".

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I am still waiting for someone to invent a device that can simply detect time.

I am not even asking to measure time, just detect "time".

It's a bit like the wind, you can only detect it through its interaction with another object.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

"We" are the time machines.
Think about it.

Wait.... whoa....

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

They don't. We don't. I don't. It's all speculation. What is being discussed is the possibilities. Mittelwaechter doesn't know any more about time travel than you do. He just thinks about it more. This is a good thing.

Mittelwaechter makes it sound like he's an expert....

The way some of this is worded give the impression that some people have seriously pondered this subject.

[Wolferz]

by Red October1984... Wait.... whoa....

Step into my Delorean.