Have we all moved to Russia?

[Happy Times]

Russian leader looks to Stalin's legacy

[Bruno Lotse]

<<Would somebody here understand it, would I be even tolerated in this forum anymore, if I would defend the holocaust and Hitler's crimes, and declare him Germany's second-greatest leader ever...? for the good reputation of this forum probably most of us would agree on that the answer would be: "hardly".>>

Do we remember about Nurnberg?

Was there any Nurnberg about leaders of the Sovet Union from 1923-53?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Please Bruno, don't tell us that you were serious when saying Stalin was "the Russian leader who takes the second place in the roster of the greatest Russian men in the history of Russian 1000 year statehood." Tell me instead that you just were sarcastic and that I am just too dump to get it. Please. I stand ready to apologize, then.

Yeah, I was wrong
At the moment Stalin is number one.
You can check it out here.
http://www.nameofrussia.ru/rating.html

It's how People of Russia voting (yes, those who have access to internet)

I do not understand what you wish to say here, and I also do not read Kyrillic.

...?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Was there any Nurnberg about leaders of the Sovet Union from 1923-53?

Point often made by the evil nationalists in Finland, Baltics and Poland.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Was there any Nurnberg about leaders of the Sovet Union from 1923-53?

Obviously not. And that is a cultural failure. that Stalin never was called to responsibility during his lifetime does not make this fact an argument to wash him clean. It is evidence of a huge historic failure.

[Sailor Steve]

I once saw World War Two described as a contest between Hitler and Stalin to see who could kill the most Russians.

Hitler won.

Barely.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Obviously not. And that is a cultural failure. that Stalin never was called to responsibility during his lifetime does not make this fact an argument to wash him clean. It is evidence of a huge historic failure.

This is the thing that has led to were we are now, not because provocations of Russias neighbours.

[Bruno Lotse]

It's online poll The Name of Russia.
Question - which political, scientific or cultural figure in Russian history made the greates contribution to the nation.

If you have PC, you connect and vote.

As of now on the first place Stalin
On the second Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy
On the third Marshal Zhukov.

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Obviously not. And that is a cultural failure. that Stalin never was called to responsibility during his lifetime does not make this fact an argument to wash him clean. It is evidence of a huge historic failure.

It's you oppinion.
Yet the poll shows that majority of people of Russia would not share it.
Quite the opposite. They consider him the Name of Russia - a person who made the greatest contribution to their country.

[Happy Times]

I will bring out the Champagne when you lay in ruins like the Third Reich.

[Happy Times]

Edward Lucas' thought experiment

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

It's you oppinion.
Yet the poll shows that majority of people of Russia would not share it.
Quite the opposite. They consider him the Name of Russia - a person who made the greatest contribution to their country.

A majority in an online poll does not qualify for the description of a qualified majority regarding the total population adressed by this poll. It is a non-representative, non-systematic sample that has at best the character of a hint. This is different to a systematic effort under controlled statistical conditions, which aim add adding representational value to the sample. A poll open to everybody, has no meaning whatever, since the representational quality of the sample is not controlled. I said I know that a new stalin-cult has emerged in Russia. Wether or not the majority of russians subscribe to it, is beyond my judgement.

Do I understand you correctly that you wish to defend your attitude regarding Stalin, as I have explained I perceived your statements?

[Bruno Lotse]

[quote=Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

I also do not read Kyrillic.

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Well, it would certainly help to read Kyrillic to read all new material recently published in Russia about those years. It is now based on archives not on political winds.
I definitely do not read about Russia in English.

[Happy Times]

[quote=Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Well, it would certainly help to read Kyrillic to read all new material recently published in Russia about those years. It is now based on archives not on political winds.
I definitely do not read about Russia in English.

Good point Bruno.

[Bruno Lotse]

<<A majority in an online poll does not qualify for the description of a qualified majpoirty regarding the total population adressed by this poll. It is a non-representative, non-systematic sample that has at bets the character of a hint. I said I know that a new stalin-cult has emerged in Russia. Wether or not the majority of russians subscribe to it, is beyond my judgement.>>
It's certainly true. I would also believe in statistics made by people whom I've hired
But it is a very strong trend now. It's not the first poll of such a kind. The most recent one was done by Ekho Moskvy and results
Stalin with a huge margin to the second place which took Pushkin, and then Lenin.