Not happy with SH4? Write your own!

[Immacolata]

Originally Posted by lord bame

personal attacks nice touch mr moderator..how old you are 14?

Old enough to not pull random numbers out of his butt and state it as a fact. Thats SO 12YO behaviour.

[Immacolata]

Originally Posted by badkarma

A new style of TV comes out, we'll call it Ultra-HD. You head to the local electrical store and after being told by the salesman how great it is, you buy one and take it home.
When you get it home you find that it switches itself off every 2 hours, sometimes the picture shudders or shows half of 1 channel and half of another.
What do you do?
At any point whilst you discover this TV's problems do you think "Hmmm, Radio Shack/Maplins sell wire and stuff, I might try making my own one of these over the weekend"?
Or, do you go back and demand that something is done so that the faulty equipment that they quite happily took your money for is made to work as it was specified.

You would be surprised to learn that you are close to reality. Let us take, say, sony. They make all things PlayStation. Now I could spin you yarns of tales of woe and worry about those dodgy, flimsy things. The average life expectancy of a sony PS2 lasser pickup must be, what, 1 year or so. I know this from a few guys that work for a living repairing them. They released the V9 series of the PS2 with a component defect that more or less guarantese your pickup will short circuit sooner rather than later.

Now take sony TVs. I had a very good friend whose Sony TV actually turned it self off. Oh boy. And he had it in for repair 4 times, they never fixed it. So, surprise surprise. Dumping buggy **** on customers is a well known practice. do not think The Man is after games customers especially.

[Torcher]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Did you actually read anything that Neal posted above, or did you just feel the need to pound out a completely uninformed statement?

Perhaps a more appropriate name might be Lord Blame?

JCC

Forum powertrippers crack me up :rotfl:

[GreyOctober]

What this fuss all about? Ive yet to see a sim with no bugs from day 1, and if i see it, ill go down to check the icycles in Hell. Does anyone remember Falcon 4? Unplayable out of the box, Lock on etc. This hard work these guys are doing and it would be done properlly if it werent for those tight schedules. Lets be patient, itll work out.

Cheers!
GO

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by GreyOctober

What this fuss all about? Ive yet to see a sim with no bugs from day 1, and if i see it, ill go down to check the icycles in Hell. Does anyone remember Falcon 4? Unplayable out of the box, Lock on etc. This hard work these guys are doing and it would be done properlly if it werent for those tight schedules. Lets be patient, itll work out.

Cheers!
GO

Someone who gets it. How refreshing!

[WFGood]

There seems to be a recurring theme through many of the posts regarding SH4. It is not perfect, and I wanted it to be, and therefore the company (Ubi) is trying to cheat me in some fashion. Look how well SH played. etc. Modern computer programs are exceedingly complex. I still have Silent Hunter, and it looks much different from this current version. SH4 is phenomenal compared to it! The water washing off the scope as it breaks the surface. The modeling of the ocean, light reflections, explosions, smoke, crew, etc. Last night I was amazed to see the crew of a freighter fall to the deck as a shell exploded near them. We did not have that in the original game.
Yes, there may be some bugs in the code. Yes, it may not run perfectly on all machines, but therein lies the difference. When I purchased SH, there were very few computers out there, and they were all very similar. The computer industry has exploded with previously unheard of options now existing. Stock machines are rare as people can upgrade or even build their own rigs to suit their needs. The problem is that all of these machines, drivers, components react differently. Drivers need constant updating, conflicts need resolution, etc. It is a very different world. Back in the 80's when I was in college, I chose marine/nuclear engineering over computer science for two reasons. First, I wanted to be a nuclear submariner (and at USNA that was the best route), and secondly, computer science seemed too crazy to me.
The point is that nothing in life is perfect. Things that are created in a sterile environment do not always perform so in the real world. Are there some bugs that could perhaps have been detected prior to release? Probably. Could those bugs have cropped up as an unforseen result of a fix in another area? Absolutely. We, as a community, need to be patient. I have watched this site and forums for years and posted less than 30 times, but this needs to be said. Patience is a virtue. There are games out there that were much worse. Look at all the positive reviews this game is receiving. If you want to see a game with real bugs, then look at the reviews for Pacific Storm when it was released. That game was called unplayable due to stability problems, and in my opinion it was. SH4 can be played at the moment. Yes, perhaps you have to make some adjustments and cannot score 150,000 tons on each patrol, but neither could the submariners who actually did it. Cars, computer batteries, and almost everything else face recalls, updates or upgrades to repair unforseen problems. Let's just all keep that in mind.

[jtm55]

Hi All,

I've read most if not all of the post in this thread, & while being one of the most junior members here, I feel some folk are being too harsh in their critisizm of SHIV.

While I understand Folk are frustrated about "Bugs" they're having on their Systems, a couple of things need to be remembered.

One, This Sim has to run on a vast array of machines, all with different code running on them. Maybe said machine has all of the latest updates to the Operating System, maybe it doesn't. Viruses, Trojans or Spyware? Who Knows. Latest Drivers? Again, who knows. Personally haven't had any problems with SHIV. My point being that we as a Community need to Temper our complaints & concerns. As Neal stated there aren't a bunch of Developers knocking down the door to create Subsims for us.

Two, The Developers are Human, They have Feelings. Put Yourself in Their place. How would You feel, reading some of the post here, not to mention some of the post on the Ubisoft Forums. Not to good I'd wager.

Look I've been a Huge fan of Subsims since I first played Silent Service on the NES System back in the early 90s. When Silent Hunter hit I was seriously hooked, & have been hooked every since. I personally think the Developers have done a Great Job on this Sim. So please Guys lighten up.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

omg...... stop whining..... FFS every game that is released on this planet has bugs.....especially pc games.... suck it up stop complaining week and half after it came out and...... just please all the whiners shut it.. you guys keep whining more pressure on the devs to release the patch.. pressure = mistakes = bugs not fixed.. so relax stop creating useless whiner threads like these. if u whine about the bugs stop playing sh4 and go back to sh3 until the last patch comes out, and keep it to yourself dont go telling the whole world saying OMG sh4 bugs OMG!! im goin back to sh3 waaa waa waa... basically shut it and go back, dont go creating useless threads, and the point of this thread is if u complain then make ur own dame submarin simulator... if u cant shut it..

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Torcher

Forum powertrippers crack me up :rotfl:

Nah.

I do it for the money.

JCC

[Antrodemus]

dont go creating useless threads

Yeah, you're right. Everyone should instead make really constructive, uplifting threads like this one. Tell me, how on Earth did you get to 700+ posts without intervention here, with this kind of attitude? :

if u complain then make ur own dame submarin simulator... if u cant shut it..

I came here with the (apparently mistaken) impression that I'd see no more of this juvenile, chat-room level, sniping nonsense that is so prevalent at UBI, and yet I get exactly the same thing here, and again, from some very surprising sources.

Again...

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

So the next time I purchase a brand new car and the engine catches fire and kills my wife and three children because their safety belts fail to unbuckle I should hitch up my pants, take a deep breath, put it down to a lesson learned, and go build my own car.

Right.

A CTD in SHIV is not going to kill your family. It's all about priority. Although I love submarine simulations, they are relatively low on my list of potential aggravation. Frankly it is not all that important compared to whether or not aesbestos is in my walls.

[Drokkon]

I don't think anyone is saying the game is horrible. The graphics are beautiful. There are issues with the game play and the research involved. The correct medals and uniforms could have been solved by just purchasing a Blue Jackets Manual from the forties off EBay for $10. When these points are brought up we start hearing stories that sound like the whole team is chained to their desks, can't see their families, and are beaten by Ubi to speed up.

Sony is paying for putting defective products out. Look at the PS3s that are sitting on shelves as the Wii can't be stocked. Sony's Station Access also is taking a hit do to people not wanting to pay extra for games that are broken. I think the consumers are starting to speak.

[macky]

what did this post achieve:hmm:

we cannot programme, so accept anything we pay our hard earned money for. Doesnt have to work, we should just be grateful its here.

OK, positive from now on

[minsc_tdp]

Bug #81 added

[Drokkon]

Minsc that is priceless