Seawolves editorial

[Wulfmann]

I do not disbelieve you Neal. I have never had any contact with Stefan unless he was the one German I went after on the UBI forum for remarks made to the Avon Lady while the so called righteous said nothing!

As for copyrighted material. UBI owns it. Modifying their material does not make it yours, it still belongs to them. They have given SW permission to use their copyrighted material. Nonetheless, Len tried not to use anything that was modded even though he legally could have. What ever I identified as such he always thanked me and removed it but, as I said my ability is limited on SH3 files.
UBI still owns those files so you distributing them without their permission may not be considered the same as SW having their permission.
I am not a part of UBI nor X-1 nor Combat Planes. I allowed Len to ask me historic related questions, made historic suggestions and beta tested the Med version partially to see what mods were in it. Your welcome!
I am, however, the closest thing that can be attacked and vented on by anyone that dislikes them and now includes you.

I have no idea what any of their user names are or ever were.
I emailed Len and only Len and that was my only communication except for CDs of each beta as it progressed coming in the mail. He also sent me the first SW which I have never installed.

Neal, have you read the above post on this? All the post? Really, each one and what they have said without any evidence?
Can you believe accusations with no proof!
How many times in this thread is it stated that I claimed GWX stole mods from SW. Now, please quote where I said it.
I did not, they did not, sorry, GWX and SW-Med sound very much alike to me.
I still find that ironic, don’t you?

Wulfmann

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

Top line [translation] = it wasn't me, it was somebody else

Bottom line [translation] = I'm just gonna make like an Ostrich and stick my head in the sand until the dust settles then start antagonising again.

Yeah I guess there are some people in this thread looking for another fight, or maybe I should say another high temp discussion. But I happened to come across a movie on tv which is more interesting than you guys...

[stabiz]

Submann pissed of alot of people a way back, and now he seems to have joined up with enemies of those he pissed off. Very Sun Tzu, and somewhat funny.

As for Wulfwolf? My guess is hes just lacking social intelligence, and owns 99% of the X1 shares.

[Safe-Keeper]

Ironic seems a popular word today .

If that was directed at a certain thread, I'd like for you to excuse me while I accidentally kick you.

[Boot]

Thanks.

Since Lehmann and his team appears to become desperate if someone says a bad word about GWX [...]

Correction: If someone tactlessly says something bad about GWX. I and several others have critizised the mod openly without receiving as much as warning shot or red flare in return (see the "GWX Issues"-thread).

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

I do not disbelieve you Neal. I have never had any contact with Stefan unless he was the one German I went after on the UBI forum for remarks made to the Avon Lady while the so called righteous said nothing!

Ok. And I told Bis the same thing--I don't expect him to take my testimony as evidence, it's strictly my account of what I saw. I am firm in my belief that X1/SW was a pretty underhanded way to make a few thousand bucks (probably $10,000~$20,000 or so).

Btw, I Serg and I forgot to mention the leaked FTP of the X1 SW mod package, that had the original mods with their related readme files written by the original mod designers

As for copyrighted material. UBI owns it. Modifying their material does not make it yours, it still belongs to them. They have given SW permission to use their copyrighted material. Nonetheless, Len tried not to use anything that was modded even though he legally could have. What ever I identified as such he always thanked me and removed it but, as I said my ability is limited on SH3 files.
UBI still owns those files so you distributing them without their permission may not be considered the same as SW having their permission.

What do you want to bet I could get permission from Ubi, if I wanted to?

And again, why can't people take the SW Battle in Med, disassemble the pieces, reassemble with new names, and give them out? That's the question I would like an answer to.

I am not a part of UBI nor X-1 nor Combat Planes. I allowed Len to ask me historic related questions, made historic suggestions and beta tested the Med version partially to see what mods were in it. Your welcome!
I am, however, the closest thing that can be attacked and vented on by anyone that dislikes them and now includes you.

I hope this is not seen as "attacking" you. I disagree with the Seawolves/X1/scooping up mods without express permission and using them for profit.

Neal, have you read the above post on this? All the post? Really, each one and what they have said without any evidence?
Can you believe accusations with no proof!
How many times in this thread is it stated that I claimed GWX stole mods from SW. Now, please quote where I said it.
I did not, they did not, sorry, GWX and SW-Med sound very much alike to me.
I still find that ironic, don’t you?

I think from reading this post and the breathlessly worded GWX has the same sound as Seawolves Med!!! post it would be fair to say you inferred GW borrowed some sounds from SW. "It does seem a little funny, GWX copied SW, even if it was unintentional, that is what happened."

I'm pretty sure you knew that would upset some people, too. I've made the statement several times in the last few months that we should try to be courteous to each other. The GW guys worked really hard to get a good mod package for the greater community to enjoy. They have learned a few PR lessons along the way, stuff they probably thought they would not have to deal with, since they were giving freely of their time, energy, and talents. We all know that it doesn't take much to sour the mood of a community. I don't pull out the extinguisher at the first sign of sparks but if this continues, doggone it, we need to step back, exercise some common courtesy and restraint, and let this die down. Or I'll make Bernard a moderator and who knows what that could lead to.

[bigboywooly]

Noooooooooooooo
Dont release the Bernard on us

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Since Lehmann and his team appears to become desperate if someone says a bad word about GWX [...]

Correction: If someone tactlessly says something bad about GWX. I and several others have critizised the mod openly without receiving as much as warning shot or red flare in return (see the "GWX Issues"-thread).

I don't agree with you there Safe-Keeper. Actually, in my own case, I have a very few posts about the GWX-mod. I remember one were I mentioned that a ship which can see a U-boat first in the dark is unrealistic, and we know that IS unrealistic. But seconds later Lehmann & Co were all over me. As you can see this happens whether it's "tactlessly" or not. I wish I knew why they jump on me the moment I say the word GWX :hmm:

Anyway...

It's too bad that there seems to be groups of enemies in here formed by the fact that we do not always agree in discussions. But then again there cannot be a discussion if we all agree on everything.

But I will get involved in discussions if I mean that the words said in them are wrong. However you don't have to keep throwing rocks at me because you will never make me cross the line anyway. I'm trained to handle a lot of stress, they bounces right off, and I know exactly where the line is drawn.

I hope that we can see future discussions without personal attacks, and that includes those who would like some help with the X-1 products.

[Wulfmann]

neal, a recap of a few expressed post regarding myself

KL said It is time for proof of accusations. Both Wulfmann and you have leveled accusations of theft at the GW/GWX mod / Dev Team.

Bring it on.

Please show me where I leveled an accusation. Bring it on!

Pants said
Well regarding certain sounds that i have made for and are in GWX are mine from scratch, But according to Wulfmann the said sounds came from that X-1 trash...i would like Wulfmann to knock on my front door and ask me personally If i stole from X-1. This in not a threat, i would like him to put up or shut up.

I never said the sounds you made came from SW. I only referred to the general sounds that are the same files, apparently all of those are old files by their dates.

Danlisa says You and Wulfmann have accused him and his team of stealing. That can not go unanswered. They have spent months of their freetime developing this.

He has a right to be p*ssed off

I have never accused KL, the GW team of stealing anything. The inference of the use of the same sounds that is being taken to mean that is solely a fabrication by anyone wanting to create something that is not there and was never intended. It is what some desire to believe to vent their hatred of SW and with no one else here to attack that falls on me.
I don’t mind being the whipping post but not the untrue accusation fabricated to fit the mood.

Gouldjg said; I cannot help but to think that you were, in some way trying to say that GWX dev team took inspiration if not the works from this so called SW med mod.

Well considering that GWX was a large team of people whom all had their own works compiled to go into the mod, I cannot see that they would lower themselves to taking such work from elsewhere. In fact I can never recall any conversation about X1 or SW.

I believe you want to take it like that. I never thought GWX took any inspiration from SW-Med. What I found so ironic was the fact they sound so much alike knowing they would never have intended that and I am sure if they had run SW-Med and heard the sounds they would have changed them, even though they could use them fine but just because there is a similar sound atmosphere. That is why it is so ironic

Stabiz said; As for Wulfwolf? My guess is hes just lacking social intelligence, and owns 99% of the X1 shares.

Well now that proves I am a liar. After all, I said I never got one cent and have nothing to do with any company. But, since you are so sure a nice $10.000.00 wager would be a sure thing, right?

Neal said; What do you want to bet I could get permission from Ubi, if I wanted to?

I mean this with no disrespect. I don’t care! I have nothing to do with these companies, I do not benefit in any way financially. How does your getting permission to do anything from UBI have anything to do with me? Once again and this time please read it. I beta tested SW-Med as a means of spotting unauthorized mods as well as gave historic advice.
Verstanden, Katalavenies?
So get permission too make a mod, release all the SW files for free. They are not of the type anyone here wants. They are for non-downloading gamers. Serious SH3 simmers will never want SW-Med but will insist on GWX or NYGM so getting permission to give away SW-Med will do what??? And, what will I care if you do??? You seem to think I somehow represent SW. I do not. Please state how many times I need to post that so it sinks in.

KL, above I put KK on a post, it was a typo and was not meant to degrade KL in any way but I want to apologize in advance to avoid a new conspiracy thread!

Sadly, talk about Ironic, I will likely run a GWX patrol every day until SH4 except for Gun shows and those days I have to go over to Pants house and knock on his door. He misses me so!

Except for historic related threads and, of course the entertaining SW threads I get a laugh out of I am doing GWX too much to even know who Bernard is

Wulfmann

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I remember one were I mentioned that a ship which can see a U-boat first in the dark is unrealistic, and we know that IS unrealistic.

On a clear night, the wake from a submarine can be seen very far away, even an airplane can spot the wake. Also, the ships have way better optics than the watch crew of your sub. Also, it´s not possible to make SHIII as real as people would want due the limitations of the engine. So, for example, it doesnt matter if it´s a clear night or if there´s a few clouds covering the moon in SHIII, the engine doesnt model moonlight AFAIK. It all comes down to try and achieve the balance on the sensors.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I don't agree with you there Safe-Keeper. Actually, in my own case, I have a very few posts about the GWX-mod. I remember one were I mentioned that a ship which can see a U-boat first in the dark is unrealistic, and we know that IS unrealistic. But seconds later Lehmann & Co were all over me. As you can see this happens whether it's "tactlessly" or not. I wish I knew why they jump on me the moment I say the word GWX :hmm:

Anyway...

It's too bad that there seems to be groups of enemies in here formed by the fact that we do not always agree in discussions. But then again there cannot be a discussion if we all agree on everything.

But I will get involved in discussions if I mean that the words said in them are wrong. However you don't have to keep throwing rocks at me because you will never make me cross the line anyway. I'm trained to handle a lot of stress, they bounces right off, and I know exactly where the line is drawn.

I hope that we can see future discussions without personal attacks, and that includes those who would like some help with the X-1 products.

1. The problem that we respond with agression lies in the Fact that if you have an Issue with GWX or think it isnt correct. you do not suppose just yell ''UNREALISTIC'' and nothing more that is of use to us to check it. those statements just pisses us off..if you just yell its unrealistic and dont tell us what you did, we cant help you.

if you explain the issue or thingy that isnt realistic in a usefull way, by telling us ''WHAT HAPPEND?'' WHAT DID YOU DO'' we can check it, we can research it. and then we can tell you that we can fix that, or explain that the Engine of SH3 doesnt allows us to moderate it or tell you that what you did was just not the way it worked.

now because the SH3 engine can be a big pain in the ass, that the realism factors we try to moderate have LIMITS. remember that

2. good for you mate, I,m exact the same. I can handle a lot of bullet hits without making me crossing the line. why should I? does it help me ? No, so screw him I will continue doing it my way.

3. Now Subwolf, Place yourself as an Moderator in a Team creating a very good Supermod for a Flight Simulator, because of ur experiences in a Boeing 737 and you know alot about Boeing ur doing every moderation on the boeings in the original Flightsimulator. the Mod is fantastic! people love it. but 4 months later a company called X-1 turns up with an Expansion pack for the Flightsim. you try it out...and when you dig in the files you see its YOUR work! its been made by you and they are gaining profit of it! you shared it with an community for free and they used your Work WITHOUT letting u know it or asking permission. now back on the community people have problems with the X1 product and tell the boeing have lots of issues. what would you tell them?

I know ''Uninstall the X1 product, download our giving Supermod that's Free and the problems are solved'' and you explain them that the X1 product has used mods in them without aksing permission and its the same as the supermod you shared for free with the community.

becaus why would you waste time to research the problem in the X1 product when your own made supermod with the team hasnt have those issues?

thats why most people of the community are against X1 and the SW pack, we dont bite the people who have it, but when someone asks help, we simply tell them to uninstall it and download the free giving supermod thats exactly the same.
but in those threads there are a few people who just cant resist to get the thread of track and get a fight started because it turns into a different discussion.


have a nice day,

HunterICX

[clayton]

C'mon subwolf answer my question. I'm not baiting you, I just want to know your feeling on this...'Should modders, whose mods are part of a product being sold for profit, be paid or compensated for their work'...

NSDQ

[Subwolf]

Well Clayton, that question is not relevant. If someone steals something he probably wouldn't come back later and pay for it, now would he? But I understand what you mean.

[Subwolf]

HunterICX, thread ends like this: We agree about a few freeware mods used in the X-1 products without permission, that's bad, old, over and done with. But those products are still out there used by many subsimmers. We also agree that no X-1 mod is used in GWX.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I agree, people who bought Seawolves should NOT be attacked in this forum. But I believe they are entitled to know the genesis of the SW package and some of the history.

That is my conclusion as well.