Bin Laden is dead, official

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Did any one of the 'witnesses' see anybody plant even one of the hundreds of charges it would take to accomplish that destruction? That's a pretty big secret to keep right there. That's all I ask for - one single piece of actual evidence.

I agree.

Truckloads of demo charges and dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the Twin Towers, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them.

As long as conspiracy theorists keep believing that the only explanation for any objection to their theories is blind faith in the government, then they will be unable and ill-equipped to discuss the actual problems with their theories. Nearly every conspiracy theory follows exactly the same pattern. It chips away at the prevailing opinion without regard to the comparative credibility of any other theory. One is supposed to believe that if the "official" story seems wrong, then maybe a conspiracy theory should be considered, no matter how absurd or ill-conceived it is.

Real investigations don't work that way. You can't say the patient has cancer because he doesn't appear to have tooth decay. Conspiracy theorists take that indirect approach because it's easier to erode something than to prove something else. The latter is what makes a real investigation. We reject the conspiracy theory not because we blindly believe the government's story, but because the conspiracy theories are often comically unsupportable according to the facts.

[MH]

Any body for theory that "Pearl Harbor" was a conspiracy....
Every incompetence there can be explained as purposefull cover up to bring USA to fight WW2 since American public wasn't so enthusiastic.
So would USA go to war if the raid was intercepted?

So tell me if anyone decided to force American public into war on terror why blowing up the building.
Smashing 2 planes would more than enough?
Would it justify going into Iraq or Afghanistan?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MH

Any body for theory that "Pearl Harbor" was a conspiracy....
Every incompetence there can be explained as purposefull cover up to bring USA to fight WW2 since American public wasn't so enthusiastic.
So would USA go to war if the raid was intercepted?

Once Japan started her invasion of American 'interests' (the Phillipines for example)...most definitely YES.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

\We reject the conspiracy theory not because we blindly believe the government's story, but because the conspiracy theories are often comically unsupportable according to the facts.

Also you will notice that many (most?) conspiracy theories "rely" on "evidence" that can't be examined.

The government is concealing something is not logical evidence.

Anyone see Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson? Crappy movie but Mel's character was one of his better roles and made the movie entertaining. He played that nutter very well.....he was acting right?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

You can't say the patient has cancer because he doesn't appear to have tooth decay.

Of course you can! Tooth decay doesn't prove he doesn't have cancer!

Originally Posted by MH

Every incompetence there can be explained as purposefull cover up...

When NASA managed to lose the original moon landing photos a whole new wave of conspiracy theorists started shouting. I replied "I'll always believe screw-up before I believe cover-up."

[joea]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Once Japan started her invasion of American 'interests' (the Phillipines for example)...most definitely YES.

Just lucky Hitler declared war on the US-FDR's main goal.

Anyway-ironic that Pearl Harbor is brought up-the conspiracy there is just "Kept the commanders in Hawaii in the dark" variety-everyone by late 41 was expecting war and an attack on the Philippines as well as British and Dutch colinies was expected. BTW I wonder why MacArthur was let off for not being ready when news of Pearl Harbor came through.

What I want to bring up with connection to 9-11 is the mildest of the various conspiracy theories is "they (the Bush administration) knew about it but let it happen to get their projects going" or even "they hired through intermediaries some islamic terrorists to do the deed who thought they were striking a blow against the Great Satan".

No-the most popular theory is the most complex and ridiculous one. Demolition charges in the WTC-a plane that vanished or never existed (the Pentagon one-BTW there was a Chinese couple on that plane so if they were invented why didn't China say anything)? Other very unlikely assertions, missiles and holograms etc. If I were to believe anything-I might believe the government created these crazy theories to cover up their own incompetence or possibly criminal negligence.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by joea

No-the most popular theory is the most complex and ridiculous one. Demolition charges in the WTC-a plane that vanished or never existed (the Pentagon one-BTW there was a Chinese couple on that plane so if they were invented why didn't China say anything)? Other very unlikely assertions, missiles and holograms etc. If I were to believe anything-I might believe the government created these crazy theories to cover up their own incompetence or possibly criminal negligence.

A CHINESE couple? Hmmm That opens up other theories. You know how them (looking right and left) Chinese are.

Maybe it was not AQ after all, but them (looking left and right) crafty Chinese guys.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Platapus

A CHINESE couple? Hmmm That opens up other theories. You know how them (looking right and left) Chinese are.

Maybe it was not AQ after all, but them (looking left and right) crafty Chinese guys.

Chinnise covertly sponsor AQ to make USA bankrupt through regional wars.
Its very obvious to me.
They will own USA soon.

[joea]

Originally Posted by MH

Chinnise covertly sponsor AQ to make USA bankrupt through regional wars.
Its very obvious to me.
They will own USA soon.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

You're all saying "The evidence is questionable" about the conspiracy theory.

But you're all forgetting that the evidence for the non-conspiracy version is also questionable.

Does anybody here have any hard physical evidence that proves the original story?

So, like I said, what is truth? All we have is theories.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

You're all saying "The evidence is questionable" about the conspiracy theory.

But you're all forgetting that the evidence for the non-conspiracy version is also questionable.

Does anybody here have any hard physical evidence that proves the original story?

So, like I said, what is truth? All we have is theories.

Whats so questionable about the fact that few terrorist could be smart enough to crash airplanes into WTC and pentagon.
With American security measures and some intelligence failures at the time it was possible and they exploited the weakness.
All those conspiracy theories come from underestimating one side and overestimating the other it seems.

Mighty USA allowed itself to be whooped like that.
It must be a trick.
Could some Muslim nut with a beard really pull it off and do such unthinkable thing?.
If they simply blew themselves up in the air it would be acceptable.
We are sort of used to that but flying plane into WTC oh.. come on...
Maybe next time it will be a small nuclear device but who would do such a crazy thing besides your own evil allmighty government.
Not some crazy fanatic muslims....

BW

The physical evidence was demolished.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Well Im letting go of this topic. I might start getting enemies around here and people throwing Molotov cocktails in my house cos I have a different opinion.

And that's certainly not what Im looking for.

What matter is, that the guy LIED! He said today was the end of the world, and I freed my schedule in order to not miss any of the action, and now it's already 6:40pm and nothing happened.

Im depressed.

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

I have over 5gb of documents and videos about how the WTC was controlled demolition and the involvements of US government with both WTC AND Bin Laden, things you wouldn't believe.

The word "Terrorism" in every newspaper have a purpose. You gotta see thru it.

Yes I agree with you , the World Trade Center was controlled demolished with explosives , nobody knows about World Trade Center building Seven which also was controlled imploded the same day by the US government at 5:20 pm , check out the link below

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://rememberbuilding7.org/

[FIREWALL]

Like Osama... Let this thread which, strated out good, DIE

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

You're all saying "The evidence is questionable" about the conspiracy theory.

But you're all forgetting that the evidence for the non-conspiracy version is also questionable.

Does anybody here have any hard physical evidence that proves the original story?

So, like I said, what is truth? All we have is theories.

More than 1500 Architects and Engineers are questioning the george bush Official theory about what happened on 9/11/2001

http://www.ae911truth.org/