poll concerning small charge for big mod and alot of work - Page 4

08-01-05, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha4

I was looking around for any sh3 official addons info and I found this thread on X1's addon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...3/m/9931037933

I thought I had seen somewhere that ubi was releasing a addon for sh3. Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.

Quote:

GERMANY (July, 19, 2005) X1SOFTWARE announces a add-on for Silent Hunter III. SEEWOLVES - this is the name of the add-on for Silent Hunter III which is currently under developement. Many enhancements and new stuff inside like new campaign script, new missions, new sounds and graphics fixes to DD hydrophones. Roughly sixty new cities, including ports and industry naval and airbase locations in Europe, North America, Britain and the Pacific region. New objects including ships, search lights, bunkers, minefields and air defenses. Enhancements to sub interior and exterior. Stationary ships in harbors and harbor patrols. Historical activity such as Dunkirk, Dieppe and D-Day. New radio messages. Optional installations like navmap aids, fatigue mod. Player can use historical maps showing French harbors and the PTO grid. The add-on includes 22 single missions and four multiplayer missions, as well as tutorials for â€žFire and Spreadâ€œ and convoy attacks. Players even can resupply their U-boat now during missions. A powerful package to come, so watch out! Release August 2005!

Wow everything in there was a released mod. I didn't read the full post until now. Of course it doesn't state the quality of the 22 missions lol. I'm wondering if he's still going to try and release it for $29.99 now that he was busted. Anyone know what's going on with the X1 saga ?

Lmao I also found this http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms..._downloads.htm

Now I know why terrapin was trying to discourage anyone from buying the cd

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Das Boot Sound Module

Is that even legal to sell taken it's from a movie protected under copyright law ?

I wouldn't buy it

That stuff should be free right terrapin. Any realism mods in there ?

Just to correct you: I wasn't discouraging ANYONE from buying ANYTHING, I just wrote I wouldn't buy YOUR stuff. ok?

Besides that...tell me anyplace where I do sell any SH3 mods.

If you're referring to subsim's donations CD's - I'm NOT the owner of subsim, neither me or Neal are selling anything!!

I reported this thread to Neal Stevens (Owner of Subsim) and
kindly asked him to clarify things. Hopefully you'll then believe me, too.

Onkel Neal · 08-03-05, 08:28 PM

KiloAlpha4

you can download any of the mods you want, Subsim asks for a donation to keep the website going (bloddy exensive beast) for the CD. cheers

Neal

Gunfighter34 · 08-03-05, 10:42 PM

I think Lemon has the right idea. Host your stuff on one of the many mod sites for those who have the ability to download them for free, and then charge a nominal fee to ship to those who have low-speed connections or would benefit from having an auto-installer.

I personally don't think you're trying to grift anyone. I live in S. Carolina and have a friend who lives in Scotland who used to be on dial-up, so I know how much it costs to burn mods, etc. on to CDs and send it internationally. The costs you're listing, in Canadian dollars (which are different from and worth substantially less than US dollars, a fact I think some are overlooking), don't seem unreasonable.

Your mod doesn't hold a lot of interest for me personally, as it seems to be built mainly around retexturing. I like new skins, but in a game like SH3 when a plane shows up I disappear, so I don't see too much of what they look like. Same with vessels other than merchants and DD and smaller escorts. I rarely see 'em, so I don't much care, and I've got the MVP to cover the merchants so I'm happy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing it, as I haven't seen your work and I don't doubt it's good, it's just not my cup of schnapps. And I think you have to understand some of the skepticism in light of the recent X1 situation. I don't think this is analogous for several reasons, but your timing in coming up with this idea probably wasn't ideal.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do, and don't take the criticism too hard. If it's constructive it helps you, and if it's just flaming you shouldn't give a crap about it, anyway.

Damo1977 · 08-04-05, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenno

In australia pc games are expensive when they come out but also stay expensive for a longtime .

and I also do beleive we in Australia ain't allowed to import game CD's from The Americas due to some trade thingy......

jasonb885 · 08-04-05, 09:59 PM

Sigh.

The BB software screwed up the thread ordering, again.

Sigh.

jasonb885 · 08-04-05, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha4

rofl that's a good one. Like I said putting it on a cd and sending it to peeps is too much of a hassel. It was a nice thought but ....

???

The whole thing sounds like a commercial venture.

I did go back and reread your post. You spoke of hours of time investment in some new mods and junk.

Why on Earth couldn't you host it on Subsim or Realsimulation again?

NZ_Wanderer · 08-05-05, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenno

In australia pc games are expensive when they come out but also stay expensive for a longtime .

Yea, same here in New Zealand.. - It cost me $99 for SH3 here

- The killer exchange rate is why I have answered no to this poll.. (Besides that, I can get all the mods I want from these amazing forums

)

Farside · 08-05-05, 07:19 PM

I gotta ask though, why would you make people pay for it anyway?, it might be your work, but so what? the Real U-boat crew dont sell their mod and i think it changes hundreds of parts of the game, if your talking about Total Conversions, everything entirely different. Then again why not just release it for free? have you personally lost money in the process of making the mod that you feel you must be re-embursed?

reading back this might have sounded cheeky or rude, please dont interpret it that way

Shadow9216 · 08-05-05, 07:39 PM

MAN! What's up with New Zealand and Australia?
So...could you guys have someone Stateside buy it and send it to you? $99 is criminal!

NZ_Wanderer · 08-05-05, 09:36 PM

Yea, I know, the prices we have to pay here for games etc makes buying a lot of games nearly impossible...

Getting someone to mail it from the states would be good, however apart from the exchange rates there would also be shipping charges and then there would be bank charges for transferring the money across

(Mind you using paypal would eliminate that transfer charge) .. - So on a $40 (US) product we here "could" be looking at still $70-$80 (NZ)

It a no-win situation....

Reece · 08-05-05, 11:15 PM

Wow, talk about a lot of overdone Kafoffel :rotfl:
I think if you put a lot of time and effort into this KiloAlpha4, then I think it's not too much to ask for a donation to help with costs, as long as the product is worth it.

I have access to 56k modem only (live in bush) and would pay gladly for a CD copy to be sent, blow trying to download 300+meg of data.
Lets face it SH3 is shot full of bugs & any large mod to improve it is welcome to me. So far there are so many mods, I have about 35 installed but soooo many conflict with each other, it would be good for a major update but to download such a mod would be out of the question on a 56k modem. I love all the free mods and certainly very grateful to the modders for all the effort they have put into their mods but not much time is going into playing the game, as soon as I start a campaign a new mod comes out & vertually got to start again, in fact I'm starting to lose interest in SH3, therefore a large mod to put it all together is a great idea to me, and would gladly pay.

Dave Kay · 08-07-05, 11:11 AM

Ahem... well; it looks like the poll results speak for themselves...

Nopileo · 08-10-05, 01:56 PM

Having been a flight sim fanatic for many years, I have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on 3rd party add-ons for MS Flight Simulator. But I only buy stuff that is truly revolutionary and inventive.

This is possible for FS 'modders' because MS always release the SDK's for the program. So dedicated programmers can create aircraft/cockpits/dynamic scenery etc. that is far more complex and realistic than what comes in the box, and those products are often created by people who do this for a living - full time. There are hundreds of commercial companies that are based on FS add-ons.

I would be hesitant to pay for something that only modified existing features of a product, which is probably only possible with SH3 since there is no released SDK.

But I did 'buy' (donate money for) Pacific Aces (or the SuperCD), as I think that altered so many things in SH3 that it became practically a new product.

And, I would also gladly buy/donate money to such great products as RUb, especially now that it's becoming such a great collection of the works of so many modders.

Oh, and I would gladly pay for a collection of scripted campaigns like in SH2, btw...

The dynamic campaign in SH3 is great, but I would like to try some historical/fictional campaigns as well, with other goals besides sinking ships and reaching a patrol grid. Espionage missions, rescue missions, photo recons, 'stalking' missions, sabotage missions etc would be a great addition to SH3 (hint hint to any modders

).

Finally, I would only pay for downloadable software that could be paid with a credit card, unless it was a huge package with maps, written manuals etc.

martes86 · 08-10-05, 02:12 PM

The mods are free for download, so, why should I pay money for mods supposed to be free when money is so needed for other things.

I vote no, of course. I only pay money for brand new games.

View Poll Results: would you pay a small fee plus shipping for a large SH3 mod ?
yes	25	32.05%
no	53	67.95%
Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

08-03-05, 10:42 PM	#48
Gunfighter34 Mate Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 53 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think Lemon has the right idea. Host your stuff on one of the many mod sites for those who have the ability to download them for free, and then charge a nominal fee to ship to those who have low-speed connections or would benefit from having an auto-installer. I personally don't think you're trying to grift anyone. I live in S. Carolina and have a friend who lives in Scotland who used to be on dial-up, so I know how much it costs to burn mods, etc. on to CDs and send it internationally. The costs you're listing, in Canadian dollars (which are different from and worth substantially less than US dollars, a fact I think some are overlooking), don't seem unreasonable. Your mod doesn't hold a lot of interest for me personally, as it seems to be built mainly around retexturing. I like new skins, but in a game like SH3 when a plane shows up I disappear, so I don't see too much of what they look like. Same with vessels other than merchants and DD and smaller escorts. I rarely see 'em, so I don't much care, and I've got the MVP to cover the merchants so I'm happy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing it, as I haven't seen your work and I don't doubt it's good, it's just not my cup of schnapps. And I think you have to understand some of the skepticism in light of the recent X1 situation. I don't think this is analogous for several reasons, but your timing in coming up with this idea probably wasn't ideal. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do, and don't take the criticism too hard. If it's constructive it helps you, and if it's just flaming you shouldn't give a crap about it, anyway. __________________

08-04-05, 09:59 PM	#50
jasonb885 Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 580 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sigh. The BB software screwed up the thread ordering, again. Sigh. __________________ X1 = Thieves Starforce officially promotes piracy of unprotected game, Galactic Civilizations II! eh? Improved Convoys mod!

08-05-05, 07:19 PM	#53
Farside Sparky Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 155 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	I gotta ask though, why would you make people pay for it anyway?, it might be your work, but so what? the Real U-boat crew dont sell their mod and i think it changes hundreds of parts of the game, if your talking about Total Conversions, everything entirely different. Then again why not just release it for free? have you personally lost money in the process of making the mod that you feel you must be re-embursed? reading back this might have sounded cheeky or rude, please dont interpret it that way __________________ Good Hunting! Torpedo Problems? Check out my thread for FAQ\'s and running depths!

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08-03-05, 08:28 PM	#47
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,386 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	KiloAlpha4 you can download any of the mods you want, Subsim asks for a donation to keep the website going (bloddy exensive beast) for the CD. cheers Neal

08-05-05, 07:39 PM	#54
Shadow9216 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 296 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	MAN! What's up with New Zealand and Australia? So...could you guys have someone Stateside buy it and send it to you? $99 is criminal!

08-05-05, 09:36 PM	#55
NZ_Wanderer Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 127 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	Yea, I know, the prices we have to pay here for games etc makes buying a lot of games nearly impossible... Getting someone to mail it from the states would be good, however apart from the exchange rates there would also be shipping charges and then there would be bank charges for transferring the money across (Mind you using paypal would eliminate that transfer charge) .. - So on a $40 (US) product we here "could" be looking at still $70-$80 (NZ) It a no-win situation....

08-05-05, 11:15 PM	#56
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,957 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Wow, talk about a lot of overdone Kafoffel :rotfl: I think if you put a lot of time and effort into this KiloAlpha4, then I think it's not too much to ask for a donation to help with costs, as long as the product is worth it. I have access to 56k modem only (live in bush) and would pay gladly for a CD copy to be sent, blow trying to download 300+meg of data. Lets face it SH3 is shot full of bugs & any large mod to improve it is welcome to me. So far there are so many mods, I have about 35 installed but soooo many conflict with each other, it would be good for a major update but to download such a mod would be out of the question on a 56k modem. I love all the free mods and certainly very grateful to the modders for all the effort they have put into their mods but not much time is going into playing the game, as soon as I start a campaign a new mod comes out & vertually got to start again, in fact I'm starting to lose interest in SH3, therefore a large mod to put it all together is a great idea to me, and would gladly pay.

08-07-05, 11:11 AM	#57
Dave Kay Gunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Ahem... well; it looks like the poll results speak for themselves...

08-10-05, 01:56 PM	#58
Nopileo Watch Officer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 333 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Having been a flight sim fanatic for many years, I have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on 3rd party add-ons for MS Flight Simulator. But I only buy stuff that is truly revolutionary and inventive. This is possible for FS 'modders' because MS always release the SDK's for the program. So dedicated programmers can create aircraft/cockpits/dynamic scenery etc. that is far more complex and realistic than what comes in the box, and those products are often created by people who do this for a living - full time. There are hundreds of commercial companies that are based on FS add-ons. I would be hesitant to pay for something that only modified existing features of a product, which is probably only possible with SH3 since there is no released SDK. But I did 'buy' (donate money for) Pacific Aces (or the SuperCD), as I think that altered so many things in SH3 that it became practically a new product. And, I would also gladly buy/donate money to such great products as RUb, especially now that it's becoming such a great collection of the works of so many modders. Oh, and I would gladly pay for a collection of scripted campaigns like in SH2, btw... The dynamic campaign in SH3 is great, but I would like to try some historical/fictional campaigns as well, with other goals besides sinking ships and reaching a patrol grid. Espionage missions, rescue missions, photo recons, 'stalking' missions, sabotage missions etc would be a great addition to SH3 (hint hint to any modders ). Finally, I would only pay for downloadable software that could be paid with a credit card, unless it was a huge package with maps, written manuals etc.

08-10-05, 02:12 PM	#59
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	The mods are free for download, so, why should I pay money for mods supposed to be free when money is so needed for other things. I vote no, of course. I only pay money for brand new games.