Georgian solders "borrowed" by Russian troops

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Thomen

The Allies shipped the following planes during WW2:

A-20, Bomber (Light) / 1,269
DB-7, Bomber (Light) / 151
B-25, Bomber (Med.) / 124
P-39, Fighter / 2,030
P-40 Fighter / 1,091
P-47, Fighter / 188
AT-6, Trainer / 21

It seems that there are some types and numbers missing, since the overall number of delivered planes is given as 47,874.

So, what's the point of the post then? :hmm:

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So, what's the point of the post then? :hmm:

Good question.. :hmm:
Maybe to show that there was more then 'just' the P-39 and P-40. Personally, never heard about the B-25's in Russia, tho.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Yes, you helped.
Yes, Soviets and Americans has a great history of cooperation and friendship.

That's why they should be friends and partners respecting each others needs and priorities.
They used to fight together and call each other allies
GOD FORBIDS!! they start fighting each other directly!!!

I point the logic, America is powerful so it still gets respect, it would be good if Russia and US share the cake.

Europe is the cake.

"How many divisions does the Vatican have?"
J.V.Stalin

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by Thomen

The Allies shipped the following planes during WW2:

A-20, Bomber (Light) / 1,269
DB-7, Bomber (Light) / 151
B-25, Bomber (Med.) / 124
P-39, Fighter / 2,030
P-40 Fighter / 1,091
P-47, Fighter / 188
AT-6, Trainer / 21

It seems that there are some types and numbers missing, since the overall number of delivered planes is given as 47,874.

Now compare with Russian war production
of their own bombers
Pe-2 'Peshka' - workhorse of Soviet front bombers
Tu-2
IL-4
Pe-8

Only IL-2 'Shturmovik' assault planes which German would call 'Fleisher' , i.e BUTCHER
evidently for its effectiveness on Wehrmacht,
the Soviets would produce 41 ths!!!! planes.
It's only one type and 41 grands !!!

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Good question.. :hmm:
Maybe to show that there was more then 'just' the P-39 and P-40. Personally, never heard about the B-25's in Russia, tho.

They were part on the raids to bomb Helsinki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...n_World_War_II

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Now compare with Russian war production
of their own bombers
Pe-2 'Peshka' - workhorse of Soviet front bombers
Tu-2
IL-4
Pe-8

Only IL-2 'Shturmovik' assault planes which German would call 'Fleisher' , i.e BUTCHER
evidently for its effectiveness on Wehrmacht,
the Soviets would produce 41 ths!!!! planes.
It's only one type and 41 grands !!!

I am not questioning the effectiveness of Russian planes.
I think the IL-2 was one the greatest CAS and strike planes that was ever built.

EDIT: ever built as in 'back in the days'

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

They were part on the raids to bomb Helsinki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...n_World_War_II

Ah.. thank you for the link.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Thomen

I am not questioning the effectiveness of Russian planes.
I think the IL-2 was one the greatest CAS and strike planes that was ever built.

EDIT: ever built as in 'back in the days'

And I agree, IL2 was a good, durable plane with very little weaknesses (The radiator in the bottom was the usual point of attack to kill the engine).

[August]

Good thing for the Soviets that the western allies tied something like 90% of the Luftwaffe down defending the Reich and off the eastern front.

[Bruno Lotse]

Amongst all US bombers delivered to Soviets,
the Soviets flyers really loved A-20 Havoc which was called according to Brits
designation Boston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-20_Havoc
They would use it mainly as a torpedo bomber for which purpose they would
make it carry tree torpedos.

As far I know Soviets really liked Bostons which they were using in greater number
then Americans. And they would continue fly it up to early 50s.
That was truly a great plane.
Thank you.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Good thing for the Soviets that the western allies tied something like 90% of the Luftwaffe down defending the Reich and off the eastern front.

When Barbarossa began, LW had, IIRC, 2 squadrons defending the channel front as it had been pretty quiet around there. But on the later parts, LW did indeed have to transfer more squadrons to west. Either to the Channel front or to the Mediterranean.

[Bruno Lotse]

Originally Posted by August

Good thing for the Soviets that the western allies tied something like 90% of the Luftwaffe down defending the Reich and off the eastern front.

You know that joke -
one Russky tanker asks another tanker in Paris

'Oh! By the way, who won the air war this time?'

What about 777 unit ?
Fly in Russia

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ww2-12912.html
http://777avg.com/unithistory/

Use US aircraft and pilots

list of lend lease to Russia ww2

http://www.geocities.com/mark_willey/lend.html

Tanks etc

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5275

Lend-lease aircraft amounted to 18% of all aircraft in the Soviet air forces, 20% of all bombers, and 16-23% of all fighters (numbers vary depending on calculation methods), and 29% of all naval aircraft. In some AF commands and fronts the proportion of Lend-Lease aircraft was even higher: of the 9.888 fighters delivered to the air defense (PVO) fighter units in 1941-45 6.953 (or over 70%!) were British or American. In the AF of the Karelian front lend-lease aircraft amounted to about two-thirds of all combat aircraft in 1942-43, practically all torpedo bombers of the naval air forces were A-20G Bostons in 1944-45 etc

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...deliveries.htm

:hmm:

15000 aircraft to Russia

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...et.asp?id=1668

[Bruno Lotse]

15000 aircraft to Russia

of all types

agaist 41000 of a single type IL-2 plane.

But there were also Yak, La, Mig, Polikarpov fighters,
Petljakov, Tupolev, Sukhoy bombers
Petljakov, Mjasischev recon planes
and lots of other flying stuff.

[Bruno Lotse]

And again, don't ship numbers.
Analyze the battle qualities of shipments.
If Soviets would call 'Hurricanes' drova or another name - 'Flying Coffin'
(no chance against MsBf-109)
Then you know, thank, but no thanks.