Shame on these people

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I don't disagree with you there. What I disagree with is the idea of targeted assasination of these guys before they go ape****, as was suggested by waste gate. That and barring the demonstrators themselves.

I don't agree with any suspension of the constitution for these events but once the sh1te hits the fan the police must do what they are there to do.

Targeted assassination? Well, I am not surprised of the sender of this message - it's endless BS like this that made me blocking him.

One should point out that the 2000 thugs starting that fighting against the police - are absoutely an international band of thugs, they are not only Germans. Confirmed nationalities of huge parts of members of this plague are Danish, Polish, Russian, Dutch, Czech, English, Italian, Austrian, Belgian, and of course Germans who have come from all over the country.

The polcie operation has been revealed meanwhile to have been a total chaos in the beginning. Nobody had expected this ammount of never before seen brutality (in Germany), and such a massive outbreak of violance. All in all 16-17.000 policemen are said to have been massed in and around Heilgendamm, of these, intially only some hundred where in Rostock, trying to break up th massive block of 2000 anarchists by charging them in groups of just twenty! It is without precedence in Germany that during running police operation - the commander of the operation was replaced by a more experienced veteran - who then started to call in all reserves in the region, until they had around 13.000 policemen in the city in the late evening. thats almost all of the whole police contingent they have stationed in the summit region.

The first commander obviously was totally out of control, and it all was far too much for him. I don't want to be in his place - his further career probably is in ruins.

For the record I didn't use the word assasination that is P-funk's word. My point was that anyone who puts on a mask and assaults the legitimate authority should be dropped to send the message that it will not be tolorated.

Continue to coddle the miscreants and you will continue to see the behavior because there is no consequence for the behavior. These people will be released from jail w/in the month and empowered to do the same thing in the future.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

For the record I didn't use the word assasination that is P-funk's word. My point was that anyone who puts on a mask and assaults the legitimate authority should be dropped to send the message that it will not be tolorated.

you said - "a handful of well placed snipers would do the trick. Drop a few and the problem will go away."

So if you assault figures of authority, then they are permitted to abuse that authority?
What's wrong with arresting and trying them, waste? Why do you see violence as the immediate answer?

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

At least 146 German police officers are injured, 25 of them seriously, in clashes with about 2,000 protestors ahead of Group of Eight summit in Rostock, Germany, police spokesman says.

Masked demonstrators hurled stones and flagpoles at police during a demonstration Saturday by tens of thousands of people against the upcoming Group of Eight summit in Germany, creating chaotic scenes near the harbor of the northern port of Rostock.Officers in helmets and full body armor at one point had to back off before a hail of stones, while other officers chased down fleeing protesters.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/02/g-8.protest.ap/index.html

These police are just doing their job, I do not agree there is anything so henious about a G-8 summit that merits this level of violence from "protesters".

Open fire! I say

Continued.........

I said the same thing Neal said.

Why doesn't P-funk accuse Neal of proposing assasination?
Why doesn't skybird accuse Neal of endless BS?

Why don't you go after Neal with the same enthusiasm? Is it because you have no backbone?

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

For the record I didn't use the word assasination that is P-funk's word.

Thats exactly what you called for. Not in so many words but the way you characterize it, its as calculated as a premeditated murder:

Originally Posted by waste gate

a handful of well placed snipers would do the trick. Drop a few and the problem will go away.

Hidden snipers in advance of a protest. That'll definitely teach people a lesson. But I don't think it'll be the one you want.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Continued.........

I said the same thing Neal said.

Why doesn't P-funk accuse Neal of proposing assasination?
Why doesn't skybird accuse Neal of endless BS?

Why don't you go after Neal with the same enthusiasm? Is it because you have no backbone?

Well.....Neal's post is a lot less considered and clear than yours. You went into methods and results. Neal's post can be read as indicative, not prescriptive. Yours cannot.

Why doesn't skybird accuse Neal of endless BS? - Neal doesn't post endless BS. Fairly simple


"Help, help. I'm being oppressed!"

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I said the same thing Neal said.

Why doesn't P-funk accuse Neal of proposing assasination?
Why doesn't skybird accuse Neal of endless BS?

Why don't you go after Neal with the same enthusiasm? Is it because yo have no backbone?

Because Neal didn't qaulify it in the same sense that you did. Snipers and the terminology "drop a few" is a calculated premeditated response. Its like soldiers taking down targets on a mission.

Neal said open fire on the violent anarchists attacking the police. If they have to to save their lives so be it. Attacking a cop is a dumb thing to do, especially when he has a few thousand buddies with him. But what Neal said isn't as specific as what you said. He has to explain his intent with that message a bit better before I'll try and drag him into one of our lengthy pissing contests.

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Thats exactly what you called for. Not in so many words but the way you characterize it, its as calculated as a premeditated murder:

Hidden snipers in advance of a protest. That'll definitely teach people a lesson. But I don't think it'll be the one you want.

'Not in so many words' means I didn't say it. You did.

The snipers will definately teach the lesson, if they are allowed to do their jobs.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The snipers will definately teach the lesson, if they are allowed to do their jobs.

What job? Shooting civilians who could be arrested and tried?

This idea of shooting violent protesters would make the violence.......wait for it.....worse. Remember Kent State?

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Because Neal didn't qaulify it in the same sense that you did. Snipers and the terminology "drop a few" is a calculated premeditated response. Its like soldiers taking down targets on a mission.

Neal said open fire on the violent anarchists attacking the police. If they have to to save their lives so be it. Attacking a cop is a dumb thing to do, especially when he has a few thousand buddies with him. But what Neal said isn't as specific as what you said. He has to explain his intent with that message a bit better before I'll try and drag him into one of our lengthy pissing contests.

I'm not dragging Neal in, he was in from the very first post. You are trying to make me into the demon without seeing anyone else who had the same opinion. Like I thought, no backbone!!

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I'm not dragging Neal in, he was in from the very first post. You are trying to make me into the demon without seeing anyone else who had the same opinion. Like I thought, no backbone!!

You don't read posts, do you?
Try this, I'll remove some:

Originally Posted by waste gate

I'm not dragging Neal in, he was in from the very first post.

Yeah, no backbone

[Skybird]

Technically, I haven't accused anyone by name of posting BS. Thus a clever BS-poster in this case would not say in public that he feels concerned by the criticism of posting BS.

Only real heavy BS-posters would do that. :p

Originally Posted by Skybird

Technically, I haven't accused anyone by name of posting BS. Thus a clever BS-poster in this case would not say in public that he feels concerned by the criticism of posting BS.

Only real heavy BS-posters would do that. :p

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybird
This is one of the rare times I argue in favour of using more physical force. It cannot be that this level of brutality and acceptance to even kill goes by without reaction. In such cases like yesterday, I would accept the use of firearms at closer range and leg-height. It is a clear case of self-defense by thew police - many of their men had been isolated and hunted around like animals before they got beaten up. Totally unacceptable, such aggression must be broken and stopped at all cost. I deduce that directly from the constitution.

I don't disagree with you there. What I disagree with is the idea of targeted assasination of these guys before they go ape****, as was suggested by waste gate. That and barring the demonstrators themselves.

I don't agree with any suspension of the constitution for these events but once the sh1te hits the fan the police must do what they are there to do.


Targeted assassination? Well, I am not surprised of the sender of this message - it's endless BS like this that made me blocking him.


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[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Technically, I haven't accused anyone by name of posting BS. Thus a clever BS-poster in this case would not say in public that he feels concerned by the criticism of posting BS.

Only real heavy BS-posters would do that. :p

Stop posting BS

Originally Posted by Tchocky

You don't read posts, do you?
Try this, I'll remove some:

Yeah, no backbone

I read it and knew what he was saying. Perhaps you missed it. 'An accusation in the negative'.