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[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by waste gate

What is wrong with this picture?!

Cuff lengths on sleeves are not the same.

[The Avon Lady]

In yesterday's Melanie Phillips article, That non-existent connection, after posting verbatim quotes from all over Tenet's book, she sums up the mad-hatter world nicely:

There is already a huge amount of evidence that has been published, in various books (by Laurie Mylroie, for example, or Stephen F Hayes) and by the Weekly Standard itself, strongly suggesting a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda. None of this has been reported by the mainstream western media. These revelations by George Tenet — who has no reason to make them up since they detract from his attempt to hole Bush below the water-line— have been ignored by the mainstream media. That is because the line that there was never a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda is one of the structural supports for the Big Lie disseminated by the mainstream media that we were taken to war on a lie. If they were forced to acknowledge the evidence for such a connection, the whole story they have constructed about Iraq would crumble, and the prism through which they have consistently distorted the presentation of the Iraq crisis — which has done so much to aid the Islamist enemy — would be shattered along with their own stellar reputations.

They therefore simply air-brush all the evidence for this connection out of public consciousness altogether. But it exists. Even George Tenet acknowledges it. And one day history will judge just who has been on the wrong side of it.

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

In yesterday's Melanie Phillips article, That non-existent connection, after posting verbatim quotes from all over Tenet's book, she sums up the mad-hatter world nicely:

There is already a huge amount of evidence that has been published, in various books (by Laurie Mylroie, for example, or Stephen F Hayes) and by the Weekly Standard itself, strongly suggesting a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda. None of this has been reported by the mainstream western media. These revelations by George Tenet — who has no reason to make them up since they detract from his attempt to hole Bush below the water-line— have been ignored by the mainstream media. That is because the line that there was never a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda is one of the structural supports for the Big Lie disseminated by the mainstream media that we were taken to war on a lie. If they were forced to acknowledge the evidence for such a connection, the whole story they have constructed about Iraq would crumble, and the prism through which they have consistently distorted the presentation of the Iraq crisis — which has done so much to aid the Islamist enemy — would be shattered along with their own stellar reputations.

They therefore simply air-brush all the evidence for this connection out of public consciousness altogether. But it exists. Even George Tenet acknowledges it. And one day history will judge just who has been on the wrong side of it.

Then, by your own argument, we should be able to withdraw our troops now. Here are the reasons we were given to go to war.

1. Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction:

Not any more. There are no WMDs in Iraq these days, unless you count those chlorine-gas car bombs the insurgents are using now.

2. Saddam Hussein is a bloody-handed dictator providing material support to Al-Qaeda.

Problem solved. Saddam is overthrown & dead. He's not providing material support to anybody.

3. Iraq will be safer with a freely-elected democratic government.

Iraq has a freely elected government, an army & a police force. It is ultimately the Iraqi people's responsibility to run their own country, security etc. Why should US taxpayers pour billions dollars and thousands more lives into a hole in Mesopotamia when all the original goals of invasion have been achieved?


So, to quote a banner on the USS Abe Lincoln(commanded by my old division officer),

"Mission Accomplished" We can begin withdrawing troops immediately. Let the Iraqis sort the rest out for themselves.

Oh, there's widespread sectarian violence(read civil war)? That's for the various factions in the country to sort out, not the US government & military.

Oh, al-Qaeda is still active in Iraq? Once again, a matter of internal security for the sovereign nation of Iraq. They should have a much easier time accomplishing this than US forces. They actually speak & read Arabic.

Oh, 16 of 18 studied reconstruction projects were either never finished or so poorly done as to be useless? With US withdrawl, the Iraqi government can rebuild on it's own with it's own citizenry and oil revenues without using corrupt no-bid contracts from American corporations. They can always use their own corrupt corporations and eliminate the middle man.

So everything is just hunky-dory. All US aims in Iraq are achieved. Therefore, there is no further need for a US military presence in Iraq.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Then, by your own argument, we should be able to withdraw our troops now.

Where did you see me say otherwise, other than objecting to the publication of a withdrawal timetable?

Here are the reasons we were given to go to war.

1. Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction:

Not any more. There are no WMDs in Iraq these days, unless you count those chlorine-gas car bombs the insurgents are using now.

2. Saddam Hussein is a bloody-handed dictator providing material support to Al-Qaeda.

Problem solved. Saddam is overthrown & dead. He's not providing material support to anybody.

3. Iraq will be safer with a freely-elected democratic government.

Iraq has a freely elected government, an army & a police force. It is ultimately the Iraqi people's responsibility to run their own country, security etc. Why should US taxpayers pour billions dollars and thousands more lives into a hole in Mesopotamia when all the original goals of invasion have been achieved?

Are you asking me or the adminstration?

Again, I'm for backing up and out in a strategic manner. The adminstration continues to think that they're one day going to turn Iraq into a true democracy.

So, to quote a banner on the USS Abe Lincoln(commanded by my old division officer),

"Mission Accomplished" We can begin withdrawing troops immediately. Let the Iraqis sort the rest out for themselves.

Oh, there's widespread sectarian violence(read civil war)? That's for the various factions in the country to sort out, not the US government & military.

Oh, al-Qaeda is still active in Iraq? Once again, a matter of internal security for the sovereign nation of Iraq. They should have a much easier time accomplishing this than US forces. They actually speak & read Arabic.

Oh, 16 of 18 studied reconstruction projects were either never finished or so poorly done as to be useless? With US withdrawl, the Iraqi government can rebuild on it's own with it's own citizenry and oil revenues without using corrupt no-bid contracts from American corporations. They can always use their own corrupt corporations and eliminate the middle man.

So everything is just hunky-dory. All US aims in Iraq are achieved. Therefore, there is no further need for a US military presence in Iraq.

And again, in general, I agree. So whydja type so much? :p

[Ishmael]

Who says we can't find civilized harmony on this board?

[The Avon Lady]

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