British sailors to be freed

[STEED]

Are famous gutter press which has been licking Iran butt is over, now they are urging war. Well that's find by me drop the British gutter press on Iran.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

AAALLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRMMMMM MMMM!!!

[Lurchi]

I wonder if there is much difference between those british soldiers and some who are still in captivity at Guantanamo Bay.

To me this is a clear signal that Iran is willing to talk. I wonder where the pragmatism to deal with realities has gone - western ratio was always a strength in the past.

Ahmadinejad is the leader of this country and we have to live with this fact.

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

I object to this post. Not only is it untrue, racist and rude to our longest standing allies who have shed their blood to defend our nation, it is also badly spelled which is indicative of the authors low intelligence.

"Longest standing allies" eh? :hmm:
Have a look at this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html.....I'm sure you'll soon sus out the nationality of the author.
I for one do not appreciate personal and individualised attacks based on what you perceive to be an individuals intellectual level

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

"Longest standing allies" eh? :hmm:
Have a look at this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html.....I'm sure you'll soon sus out the nationality of the author.
I for one do not appreciate personal and individualised attacks based on what you perceive to be an individuals intellectual level

I will ask that the three of you either drop this, or take it up in PM. We are trying to keep threads on topic.

Thank you,
The Management

[toby66]

Originally Posted by Lurchi

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

A very reasonable and well-thought post! I stopped posting because I felt it would get personal.

Thanks for taking back the threat from personal insults to a serious discussion.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by Lurchi

I wonder if there is much difference between those british soldiers and some who are still in captivity at Guantanamo Bay.

You could go there to find out, but.....

To me this is a clear signal that Iran is willing to talk. I wonder where the pragmatism to deal with realities has gone - western ratio was always a strength in the past.

Iran released the hostages only after they made us (Britain and USA) release some prisoners that we picked up in Iraq. If that's the only reason, which I belive it is, then that is a motive for kidnapping. I personally belive that the sailors were not in Iranian waters, nor what they said was true.

Ahmadinejad is the leader of this country and we have to live with this fact.

Or you can do something about it.

Instead of threatening Iran with war all the time some of those damned politicians should at least meet this guy and find out what he is really like, this is what they are paid for. I am tired of all those media **** which tries to imply me that Iran is an aggressive country, all iranians are fanatics and it's president is the devil himself.

Iran is not an aggressive country. The government and it's followers (about half of the country) are aggressive. That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive.

Churchill talked to Stalin, Kennedy to Chruschtschow, Nixon to Mao and Begin to Sadat - this is rationality. Why the hell not Blair, Bush or our funny chancellor Merkel to Ahmadinejad? A war with Iran will result in massive bloodshed and will only help the muslim fanatics to radicalize Iran's youth who will otherwise change this country soon.

Hence the reason we haven't gone to war with Iran. Also, people are talking to him (he IS part of the UN), people like the UN Security Council and such.

[Lurchi]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Iran released the hostages only after they made us (Britain and USA) release some prisoners that we picked up in Iraq.

I also don't believe that those british soldiers were in iranian waters. The same as one of our citizens who was imprisoned by Iran because of the same reasons while on a fishing trip.

On the other hand i also don't believe that all prisoners "picked up" in Iraq are terrorists. Obviously the US or Britain aren't so sure either - that's why they released them so quickly in exchange ...

Or you can do something about it.

Let me guess: By war, yes?
That is a high price tag for removing a leader, as usual to be paid by numerous civilians and young soldiers - i doubt if this is really worth it and who knows who will follow him. This "democratic nation-building" thing through war just don't work in the islamic world.

That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive.

Mmmh, those are words - truly agressive, but not more aggressive than invading a neigbouring country, steaming in adjacent waters with several aircraft carriers waiting for a new "Gulf of Tonking" incident and talking about the usability of tactical nuclear weapons as if those were some sort of lightly enlarged fireworks.

Iran knows very well that it's military is no match for the US - they knew this even before the US sent additional carriers into the gulf. On the other hand they also know that the US is not able to occupy them and get 70 million iranians under control after the military clash is over.

A classical stalemate and the only solution is diplomacy.

Hence the reason we haven't gone to war with Iraq

You haven't? So this happened on TV only?

Seriously, some things can only be solved in direct contact. This is why the US and the USSR introduced the "hot wire" as result of the Cuban missile crisis: Indirect communication through the UN or secondary diplomats is not effective enough and leads to dangerous misinterpretations. I don't understand why issues which can lead to war are not solved face to face between the highest leaders of the respective countries, what kind of silly diplomatics is this?

Concerning Iran i would say all that is needed is patience. It's population is very young and many Iranians refuse to send their children to Koran schools. The radicals suffered a heavy defeat during the last communal elections. The islamic revolution is already on its deathbed and the only way to save it is a war which would radicalize the youth and thus gather it behind their government.

[ASWnut101]

quick edit: When I said "we haven't gone to war with Iraq," I meant Iran. Oops.

[Yahoshua]

Quote:
That is if you don't find "Wiping Israel off the face of the Earth" aggressive.
Mmmh, those are words - truly agressive, but ..........

Ahmadinejad has stated many times that he's eager and willing to wipe Israel off the map, insinuating that he would use nuclear weapons to do so.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/800098.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16149717/

When someone says that he's going to kill me, I'm not going to doubt him. So I'll kill him first and save myself from disaster.

After all, Ahmadinejads' held his infamous conference on Holocaust Denial, which sounds alot like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

I'm sure he's working on propaganda that would make Fritz Hippler proud of his "legacy."



(Translation: The Eternal Jew. A documentary on the world of Jews. Designed [correctly translated as "Directed"] by Fritz Hippler, Music by Franz R. Friedl)

In light of this, be aware that such big talk from a nations' leader is not to be lightly considered nor nonchalantly thrown aside.