Seawolves editorial

[gouldjg]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

Lehmann, why don't you relax for a change...

Ones got to ask

"why do you constantly bait them though"

It appears that way to me but maybe I am wrong.

I dont think they are easily baited but I do notice the usual dig at them when it is uncalled for (kinda sad really).

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I still have the pistol reserved for you. Just ask if you need it.

It's just aswell people quote you, otherwise I wouldn't know what you said....

As for KL relaxing, are you thick????

You and Wulfmann have accused him and his team of stealing. That can not go unanswered. They have spent months of their freetime developing this.

He has a right to be p*ssed off.

[Subwolf]

I haven't accused them for stealing anything, talk to Wulfmann about that story.

And I'm not in the mood for your games tonight, watching a movie...so close the hatch.

[fredbass]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I haven't accused them for stealing anything, talk to Wulfmann about that story.

You know, when someone says it appears that this or that is happening based on what they've seen or heard, then to me, it's really not much better than actually coming out and making an outright accusation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Me thinks it is going to get ugly in here.....battle stations! Periscope Depth! Incoming!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I haven't accused them for stealing anything, talk to Wulfmann about that story.

And I'm not in the mood for your games tonight, watching a movie...so close the hatch.

Dealing with legal matters is anything but a game.

[AVGWarhawk]

In all reality men, if this has become a legal matter it would be best to defer conversation about it because it will turn into an OJ Simpson "If I done it" case. Best to leave it alone. One's position can be compromised....

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by gouldjg

Ones got to ask

"why do you constantly bait them though"

It appears that way to me but maybe I am wrong.

I dont think they are easily baited but I do notice the usual dig at them when it is uncalled for (kinda sad really).

Yes you are wrong. Since Lehmann and his team appears to become desperate if someone says a bad word about GWX, specially if they come from me, I agreed with the moderators not to discuss very much of the GWX-mod.

But this is kinda hard if Lehmann keeps hanging on my back all the time. So Lehmann, just stay away from me and you don't have to worry..

[Wulfmann]

KK, So no one has to click the link I am pasting what I wrote in the thread.

I repeat, I never intended to infer GWX stole anything. What I was saying was it is ironic that with all the accusations of SW stealing mods (inspite of SW-Med being released in France before TGW1.0 was released anywhere) that now GWX sounds like SW-Med.
To me that was simply funny in an ironic way.

Anyway, here is the post. Rip it apart!

No matter how I put it this will be taken wrong.

But, the sound in GWX is the sound from Seawolves or at least the same sound I assume by the sound maker who sold it to Seawolves then gave it to GWX.
I have had these sounds since the first beta SW-Med a year ago. They were in SW-Med when it was released before the first TGW so please don’t start the SW stole it stupidity. Simple math dictates this.
Here is the irony for me. I take SW as a mod for those that don’t DL and tweak for whatever reason don’t mind paying to get an add on and not for those of us that are more serious about making this a better sim for U-Boaten.
Therefore these sounds remind me of the gamer version of SH3 add ons and not the serious side.
It might just be my association and maybe these are better but I hear gamey and I am moving the GW1.1, RUB, NYGM and other individual sound mods I have acquired into GWX because in spite of what some may think I do not want GWX to sound like Seawolves.
It does seem a little funny, GWX copied SW, even if it was unintentional, that is what happened. Excuse me if I

Wulfmann

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

I had absolutely nothing to do with the first SW and as I said one reason I beta tested the Med one was to look for any mods that were not authorized and admit I am limited to know what to look for. What were you guys doing except crying and throwing tantrums while I did my best to look for those mods (and when I did Len thanked me as he was trying to not use anything not authorized)

Yeah? How is Len associated with Stefan? What is Len's forum username? Which one of those guys spammed the Subsim forums with porn?
Like I said, I experienced the deception and BS first hand. You can choose not to believe me, that's fine.

May I also remind you UBI sift owns the copyrights to all those files and even if they used a UBI owned modified file they were legally entitled to.

If that is true, then it must be ok to take the Seawolves mod and pass it out as a free download. Or even better, repackage it and sell it as a new add-on. Seth! You were right all along

It sure seems unethical to collect mods and assemble them for sale without the mod creator's permission. What if the owner of this forum decided all user accounts belongs to him and he decided to log in as Wulfmann and post a bunch of crazy stuff?

I certainly realize most here will read what I post, ignore what they can't use against me, edit and translate whatever I say to something that suits their flame mob Kristalnacht mentality and as was written above that certainly continues.
Look at my explanation above. Not one person has commented on that nor has anyone ever offered any evidence any of it is not the truth.
What those that have their panties in a knot just don't seem to understand is I am amused by their passion for negativity and wasted energy not upset by it.
It would have to be true to bother me. As yet, I am not bothered; do the math!

Keep on throwing those hissy fits; I enjoy laughing at them.

Just make sure you are not provoking people, this forum only allows a minimum of that, you know.

[gouldjg]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

KK, So no one has to click the link I am pasting what I wrote in the thread.

I repeat, I never intended to infer GWX stole anything. What I was saying was it is ironic that with all the accusations of SW stealing mods (inspite of SW-Med being released in France before TGW1.0 was released anywhere) that now GWX sounds like SW-Med.
To me that was simply funny in an ironic way.

Anyway, here is the post. Rip it apart!

No matter how I put it this will be taken wrong.

But, the sound in GWX is the sound from Seawolves or at least the same sound I assume by the sound maker who sold it to Seawolves then gave it to GWX.
I have had these sounds since the first beta SW-Med a year ago. They were in SW-Med when it was released before the first TGW so please don’t start the SW stole it stupidity. Simple math dictates this.
Here is the irony for me. I take SW as a mod for those that don’t DL and tweak for whatever reason don’t mind paying to get an add on and not for those of us that are more serious about making this a better sim for U-Boaten.
Therefore these sounds remind me of the gamer version of SH3 add ons and not the serious side.
It might just be my association and maybe these are better but I hear gamey and I am moving the GW1.1, RUB, NYGM and other individual sound mods I have acquired into GWX because in spite of what some may think I do not want GWX to sound like Seawolves.
It does seem a little funny, GWX copied SW, even if it was unintentional, that is what happened. Excuse me if I

Wulfmann

Ironic seems a popular word today .

To be honest, my immpressions of what you wrote are exactly what you predicted in the first line of that thread. (maybe I am just simple minded)

I cannot help but to think that you were, in some way trying to say that GWX dev team took inspiration if not the works from this so called SW med mod.

Well considering that GWX was a large team of people whom all had their own works compiled to go into the mod, I cannot see that they would lower themselves to taking such work from elsewhere. In fact I can never recall any conversation about X1 or SW.

No wonder they get slightly peeeed off at people when this kind of stuff pops up.
I probably would have gotten myself banned in my responce to a thread like that.

Just the way it reads mate, despite the ironic side to it.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

But my point is that there are a lot of X-1 product users out there, and it's kind of ridicilous that they can't discuss those add ons here without being attacked by other members...just because the Seawolves mods contains a ship model or a couple of small freeware mods used without permission. In my opinion it's time to put this behind us, those products will always be around anyway.

But posts about this issue often ends up in a fight between members, nothing can control that, just stopped when damage is already done. So on the other hand I can understand why the moderators here don't like threads about it.

I agree, people who bought Seawolves should NOT be attacked in this forum. But I believe they are entitled to know the genesis of the SW package and some of the history.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

If that is true, then it must be ok to take the Seawolves mod and pass it out as a free download. Or even better, repackage it and sell it as a new add-on. Seth! You were right all along

:rotfl::rotfl:
(I will not enter this debate, you all know what i think...)

[The Munster]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I haven't accused them for stealing anything, talk to Wulfmann about that story.

And I'm not in the mood for your games tonight, watching a movie...so close the hatch.

Top line [translation] = it wasn't me, it was somebody else

Bottom line [translation] = I'm just gonna make like an Ostrich and stick my head in the sand until the dust settles then start antagonising again.

[Ducimus]

What i don't understand is how one or two people can so adamantly defend X1 and subwolves to any degree. What's their stake in all this? Why give a rat's ass?

Small time software companies like X1 have been scouping up and repackinging mods and user created maps off the internet and burning them on commercial CD's since the days of Doom and DukeNukem3d. So what makes X1 so special? It smacks of special or personal intrest on the part of the defenders.