Das Boot (the original uncut version DVD)

[Terragon]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

i haven't seen it, and nothing i've heard about it so far has made me want to.

i do really like 'hunt for red october' and i saw 'crimson tide' (if that's even the right title - gene hackman, denzel washington, that one) when it was in the theaters. and saw the old one with... er... clark gable and william holden? is that 'run silent, run deep'? with an ex-boyfriend years ago.

obviously, i'm not a submovie connoisseur by any means, lol. but i do love a really well-made film and 'das boot' certainly qualifies in every respect IMO. didn't realize it would jumpstart so many new and interesting things for me to get into, but i'm certainly having a good time with all of it.

i messed around with learning a little german years ago and have started trying to pick some up again - just my luck a german family now living here in the states just joined up at my dojo so i have the little girl in my kid's class and the dad's been coming to our adult classes as well. gives me chance to use (and not forget) what little german i have, although i must say the opportunities to yell 'anblasen' are, sadly, few and far between in that context.

It's OK. Not accurate, or even believable, but some parts were pretty good. I liked the depth charging sequence, and it showing the conditions of American subs. Harvey Keitel plays a good Chief. Hunt for Red October was good, but no where near as good as the book. (How many movies are?) Crimson Tide was okay too.

Heard of 'Run Silent'... LOL. Never watched it.

You have a dojo? What do you teach?

I train as a MMA (Mixed Martial Artist) with a background in Filipino Martial Arts, Tae Kwon Do, Kickboxing, and folk-style/greco-roman Wrestling.

[frau kaleun]

Sorry, should've clarified - it's "my" dojo in the sense of being the one where I train, lol. Several of us help out sensei by running group classes and sometime help with private instruction of newer students if we're needed for that.

I run a kid's class once a week and usually part or all of the regular group class afterwards on the same evening, and the rest of the time it's just a matter of whether or not he needs somebody to help out and I'm there and outrank everybody else in the room, lol.

But I should say it's also "my" dojo in the sense that it's one of the few places on earth other than my home where I still feel completely at home.

It's a Tracy's Karate dojo, but in reality what we learn/teach is more rightly called kenpo karate or kenpo jujitsu.

I've thought about looking into TKD as a secondary style, if I ever have the time and money. Mostly because it seems to involve a lot of kicking and I really, really like to kick things.

folk-style/greco-roman Wrestling

I'm sure it's nothing like what I'm imagining, which is two people wrestling while some dude with a goatee strums an acoustic guitar in the background and sings "If I Had A Hammer."



Actually I can see where a hammer might come in handy in a wrestling match. Whatever works, as we like to say.

[Steel_Tomb]

Whats with all the thread necromancy going on lol... a 2006 thread! Thats one hell of a bump!

I got my copy of Das Boot through a very kind gent (he knows who he is lol)... I was pretty much blown away by it. Ranks up there as one of the best war films of all time. The characters are built up to such a level with you the viewer that you can't help but feel completely gutted when it finishes, all that they've been through together and bam over in a flash.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

if you have it on dvd, i think it's got to be either the director's cut theatrical re-release or the miniseries extended version. iirc the original shorter theatrical version never came out on dvd. i could be wrong though.

i think the director's cut clocks in at around 3 1/2 hours, one disc that you have to turn over midway through. extended cut is closer to 5 hours on two disks. (at least the region 1 versions i have.)

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

i think i had to go back at first and make sure he really said it in english too, because i've had a couple of dvds of foreign films (okay they were old hong kong chop socky flicks but still) where the one and only audio track contained both original language and dubbed english dialogue, first one and then the other, all the way through. didn't think a 'das boot' dvd would be as haphazardly put together as that, but you never know.

whether or not it was intentional on anybody's part, other than the fine actor playing Thomsen, is another question i don't know the answer to. everything i've heard about his performance including petersen's own comments suggests that he was at least a couple sheets to the wind when they filmed those scenes. what was in the script and what he improvised - well, i'd love to know. he doesn't get much screen time but he sure makes the most of it!

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

i haven't seen it, and nothing i've heard about it so far has made me want to.

i do really like 'hunt for red october' and i saw 'crimson tide' (if that's even the right title - gene hackman, denzel washington, that one) when it was in the theaters. and saw the old one with... er... clark gable and william holden? is that 'run silent, run deep'? with an ex-boyfriend years ago.

obviously, i'm not a submovie connoisseur by any means, lol. but i do love a really well-made film and 'das boot' certainly qualifies in every respect IMO. didn't realize it would jumpstart so many new and interesting things for me to get into, but i'm certainly having a good time with all of it.

i messed around with learning a little german years ago and have started trying to pick some up again - just my luck a german family now living here in the states just joined up at my dojo so i have the little girl in my kid's class and the dad's been coming to our adult classes as well. gives me chance to use (and not forget) what little german i have, although i must say the opportunities to yell 'anblasen' are, sadly, few and far between in that context.

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

*sigh*

well now i think i will have to go and watch Das Boot again, or at least as much of it as i can fit in between now and bedtime.

what a tragedy, i don't know how i'll survive it.

WOW!!.....Connect 4

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Whats with all the thread necromancy going on lol... a 2006 thread! Thats one hell of a bump!

I got my copy of Das Boot through a very kind gent (he knows who he is lol)... I was pretty much blown away by it. Ranks up there as one of the best war films of all time. The characters are built up to such a level with you the viewer that you can't help but feel completely gutted when it finishes, all that they've been through together and bam over in a flash.

one of the most gutwrenching endings to a movie i've ever seen. what an emotional rollercoaster.

and one of the advantages of the longer versions is that you get to know the characters so much better, see them in a wider variety of situations... makes it even more powerful.

"blown away" is a good way to describe it. saw it the first time courtesy of netflix and couldn't bear to send the disk back until i'd gotten my own copy to keep.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Respenus

It hurts me down real deep because I have only see the Directors Cut!

BTW, I don't think there's a Kaleun here that hasn't seen Das Boot (If they haven't, go lunch yourself from a torpedo tube till you reach the coast of some country and buy Das Boot there! )

Why would I want to watch a move about a shoe???





(Ducking)

[danasan]

Hi again,

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"As an aside, my copy of the DC has an amusing error in it:
In the scene where Thomsen has collapsed on the toilet floor in the brothel, even with German audio on he gets up and declares (in English) "I AM NOT IN THE CONDITION TO ****!" before continuing in German"

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I think, I am not that wrong, if I said that Thomsen made it in English, because he was still (mentally) in his speech about Churchill. And therefor, as a kind of "greeting" to Churchill, he made his "I AM NOT IN THE CONDITION TO ****!" statement. That means, it would be NOT an error.

Nice to meet you again!

danasan

[Jimbuna]

That is no error, I have noticed it in a few copies belonging to people I know, my own included.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Why would I want to watch a move about a shoe???

Do we have a smiley for hitting somebody upside the head with a flashlight?

No?

Okay, just asking.

[Jimbuna]

A frying pan is much more effective

[urfisch]

seen this movie several times since 1985, when watching the tv-version as a child. this was a magic moment...when my parents left me home and letting me watch tv. and there was this great and unforgetable movie "Das Boot". Afterwards i got the book "Iron coffins" from Herbert A. Werner and my uboat frenzy started.

I guess it is not available in english, but i recently bought my copy of a book called "The search for the crew of U-96" (Die Suche nach der Crew von U-96, which is a "catalog" with 300 sites from the german film-museum. There was a fair in this museum, called "Das Boot revisited" with all kind of photos, relics, requisites, etc. shown from the film.

[Terragon]

Just finished watching the Wolfgang Peterson collection, watched Das Boot and Air Force One back to back.

Saw a cool tribute to Das Boot in Air Force One. General Radek is played by Jurgen, who is the Captian of the U-Boat is Das Boot. When General Radek is released from a Russian prison (watch the movie), four men in Russian uniform come to meet him. The two with their covers off are crewmembers from Das Boot. The only reason I realized it is because I watched it back to back. Shortly after that, Jurgen gets machine-gunned again.

Bad luck dying as a German AND a Russian officer. Perhaps he should try American.

[Terragon]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I run a kid's class once a week and usually part or all of the regular group class afterwards on the same evening, and the rest of the time it's just a matter of whether or not he needs somebody to help out and I'm there and outrank everybody else in the room, lol.

But I should say it's also "my" dojo in the sense that it's one of the few places on earth other than my home where I still feel completely at home.

It's a Tracy's Karate dojo, but in reality what we learn/teach is more rightly called kenpo karate or kenpo jujitsu.

I've thought about looking into TKD as a secondary style, if I ever have the time and money. Mostly because it seems to involve a lot of kicking and I really, really like to kick things.

I'm sure it's nothing like what I'm imagining, which is two people wrestling while some dude with a goatee strums an acoustic guitar in the background and sings "If I Had A Hammer."

I always thought TKD was a very good defensive style of fighting. I'm 6'4" tall, I like any style of fighting that involves the use of legs. Karate and Jujitsu are very good, I believe Kyoto Machita (an UFC MMA Champion) is an all-Karate fighter. His grandfather or father is a Karate Grandmaster. ..And that's all he needs.

As for folk-style, that's the standard style of wrestling in High School, you can also compete in Greco-Roman (Use of the upper body only), or Freestyle, which is too confusing for me.

Ah, the joyous memories of running on a track in sweats in a garbage bag in Florida at seventeen. All youth should experience it.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

A frying pan is much more effective

True, I just thought hitting someone with a flashlight a la Frenssen would be staying more on-topic.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Terragon

Bad luck dying as a German AND a Russian officer. Perhaps he should try American.

Judging by the list I found online a while back, he seems to have bad luck in a LOT of his movies:

http://www.jpwsfc.org/fates.htm

Some of the more interesting ones include shot by arrows, shot in the neck with harpoon, ripped apart by robot, and survives but goes out with Patsy Kensit.

I guess it's because he's been cast as a villain so often. Shame, really. Although he typically does a fine job with it.