I even saw a mermaid once...(Hunt for Red October)

[Kapitan]

No the bottle didnt break it bounced off, no doubt its laying around some where

Oh wait scrap that they probly got tight and the admiral drank it hey why waste good champagne?

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

K-19 another fact: no political officer in thier right mind would hand over any weapon if he assumed command, political officers word after assuming command is final, also note the political officer would hardly likely want to hand over the ship to the americans anyway they are high party members i could believe the line if it was captain trying to pass over crew but definatly not political officer.

I thought the political officer only removed the Captain from command, as is his perogative.

Are you saying that a zampolit, despite himself (and everyone) knowing full well he doesn't know much except how to give boring lectures on Communism, must take command himself after relieving? Does he even have the right to do so?

But yeah, at least in most stereotypical movies, it would be the Captain trying to get the guys off and do the right thing and the zampolit blabbering about Party and State.

[Kapitan]

Political officer is a high ranking KGB / MGB agent who would have been drilled in how to command a vessel effectivly.

[Nexus7]

About K-19 movie, the most sucky thing is the trailer, as it shows things that don't appear in the movie, like torpedo exchanges.


Anyway, if you read the subsim news, the K19 has been bought by a private multimilionary man, and will be transformed in some sort of pub for submariners, somewhere near Moscow if I remember well.
Would be worth a visit if it becomes open to civilians

[Kapitan]

The real K-19 was scrapped she is in bits, the K-19 going on display will probably be a smilar looking one.

I did post pictures showing what K-19 looks like now and i can say its just a warehouse full with bits.

[Yak]

Mabey it was the vis-modded whiskey(?) they used to represent the hotel?

One thing i've never understood is how in das boot when the sub starts sinking the pressure keeps crushing the sub and the flooding etc, but then it runs aground, an the flooding comes under control, the hull stops creaking under pressure etc etc. and all is good in the world.

Wouldn't logic dictate it would constantly apply a steady pressure and gradually weaken the hull, rather than magically stop?

[Yak]

Mabey it was the vis-modded whiskey(?) they used to represent the hotel?

One thing i've never understood is how in das boot when the sub starts sinking the pressure keeps crushing the sub and the flooding etc, but then it runs aground, an the flooding comes under control, the hull stops creaking under pressure etc etc. and all is good in the world.

Wouldn't logic dictate it would constantly apply a steady pressure and gradually weaken the hull, rather than magically stop?

[Nexus7]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

The real K-19 was scrapped she is in bits, the K-19 going on display will probably be a smilar looking one.

I did post pictures showing what K-19 looks like now and i can say its just a warehouse full with bits.

For the record... here one of the articles

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10396866

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Originally Posted by Yak

Mabey it was the vis-modded whiskey(?) they used to represent the hotel?

One thing i've never understood is how in das boot when the sub starts sinking the pressure keeps crushing the sub and the flooding etc, but then it runs aground, an the flooding comes under control, the hull stops creaking under pressure etc etc. and all is good in the world.

Wouldn't logic dictate it would constantly apply a steady pressure and gradually weaken the hull, rather than magically stop?

The creaking is due to an increase in pressure. Once the sub maintains a depth the pressure remains constant, and the creaking generally stops. Some will remain at severe depths to the fact that you're near crush depth, however it will generally lessen to the point of stopping.

The hull will generally be able to stand a certain pressure, conditions permitting. It will either stand the pressure, or it will suddenly and catastrophically implode upon reaching a death at which it loses structural integrity.

There won't be a gradual weakening of strength (at least not in the sense you're referring to) as long as the depth is maintained, however you can argue that as it dives close so its crush depth you are weakening it. And like a spring you can permanently overextend it, thus surviving an extreme depth - whilst remaining intact - will permanently weaken the hull and lower its rated depth.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Miscellaneous: By law, when an actor portrays military personal in a movie or TV show they are required to be what the military call, out of uniform. For example, ribbons or medals out of order, or improper insignia on clothing or hats. This is so that technically they are not impersonating military personal.

Kinda renders a lot of the other listed mistakes redundant as its on purpose.

[SeaQueen]

But he could be trying to win a victory for Russia on his own by getting close enough to decapitate the command-control; he doesn't have to be trying to destroy the world, only the small portion of it that belongs to us(that would entail destroying a good part of his part to but we are assuming he is mad and any responsible officer has to allow for that).

If all he wanted to do was launch his missiles, he could have done that from the Barents Sea. Unless you're an old Yankee or November, they didn't need to transit the GUIK Gap. So shooting him off the coast of Newfoundland, would have been very cowboy-ish.

[Kapitan]

First of all scrapping started in 2003 i have pictures of that, second of all any hotel class submarine can be painted and said to be K-19 simply because the russians changed nothing they are all identicle untill modified to which K-19 was modified to a hotel 2 as was a few others.

a yankee with SS-N-8 missiles would need to be near bermuda to launch at the east coast the missiles simply do not have the range, the deltas and typhoons do not even have to leave thier home ports to fire thier missiles at the USA.

[jason taylor]

In one first season NCIS the crime was commited by an eco-terrorist who tried to get aboard a submarine to get revenge because, "sonar kills whales".
That one is a mite hard to believe active(from a sub?) might give one a bit of a headache but passive certainly wouldn't. Nontheless I believe I heard that one somewhere before. Where did it start? And what does sonar do to sea life, just out of curiousity?

[Kapitan]

Makes it go mad and beach whales and dolphins ect.

[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

And what does sonar do to sea life, just out of curiousity?

That's the problem, nobody really knows. They're pretty sure at this point LFA doesn't hurt whales, but the jury is still out on medium frequency active sonar. Almost every navy in the world has put proceedures in place to minimize the potential for problems, some of them more elaborate than others. The thing is, since nobody really knows specifically how active sonar causes problems for whales, there's only been some suspicious corrolations, nobody knows really what can be done to avoid problems, so some of the specifics of what needs to be done are squishy. Biologists opinions at this point say less about the science and more about their personal leanings, because it seems like they all argue the safest thing is to not use active sonar at all, which the world's navies simply aren't going to do. You can't tell a warship captain that he's can't defend himself because a whale might have problems. Until there's some real science things will continue to be ugly.

The good news is that the NATO undersea research center (SACLANT) in Italy has a program for trying to figure out how to identify and minimize the environmental impact of active sonar. Hopefully they'll be able to develop some solutions.