The Government You Deserve?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dan D

With all respect, but this is waffle imo. I don't think that we share the same "reality", for one. Second, I have no idea what "reality" Ayn Rand is talking about. May be we agree, but I can't tell from just the Quote. Third, you need to define "reality" on a term we at least can all agree upon. Otherwhise we are talking Klingon or Greek or something.

In other words: I don't understand.

Lets make this as pragmatical as possible then.

You have a pain in your tooth. You ignore it and instead of going to the dentist, you tell yourself that it will go away from alone, and that it is not meaning anything, or whatever that allows you to avoid going to the dentist. The hole in your tooth does its work, it gets deeper, and wider, the pain gets unbearable, you go almost insane. That is because you avoided to recognize the reality of that you had a hole in your tooth. You made yourself believe different, but that does not save you from the consequences: the pain almost kills you, and the tooth dies and gets pulled. You delayed the outcome, and made it worse.

Or do you think the pain you feel is not real? For having an unreal pain, you screamed surprisingly loud. And me - I have heard you for sure in what you call "my reality". Either we live in the same reality then, or our two realities are fundamentally linked.

In a way, Rand talks about what I call Karma: the inevitable causal link between cause and effect. People can deny unwanted truths and realities. They can do like little kids that play: they can do and act "as if". But real life facts still find you, inevitably, always. Doing "as if", assuming "as if things were like this and not like that", is extremely popular in politics both left and right, and modern money-printer-economics. They think that the rules of the market would bend and the nature of facts would distort on behalf of ideological ambitions and desires. This has never worked in the past, and it can never work in the future. It does not work that way, reality still presents you the bill with the costs for the ongoing ignorance, and the illusions you maintain. We currently experience the truth in that, in the slow collapse of our wellfare states, the increasing socialist regime and etatism, the growing "strong state", the financial cataclysm slowly unfolding, the faster and faster fall into the mealstrom of modern state-enforced paper-money. We spill oil into the fire everyhwere, we insist that oil is the cure, not the origin of the fire. We can assume that this helps to ease our problems, we can deny the facts. But the backblow from our illusions nevertheless will catch us, no matter what our freaking ideologies make us believe, and for what reason we fell motivated to still hold them up. Ideology moves mind, not innocent facts. You can delay the payment of the final bill, but you cannot avoid it forever. And the longer you delay it, the higher the bill in the end will be. The longer you allowed the damage to pile up, the higher the heap of garbage that you need to clean up.

There is nothing metaphysical or mysterious in Rand's quote. Its just plain reason, and sober logic. Reason and logic like in "if you spend more than you earn, you gonna get problems sooner or later."

[Eichhörnchen]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

So, IF We're in a simulation and We play Simulated War Games.
Do the People in those Simulated Games play Simulated Games themselves?
And what about the simulated simulated people?
Do they also create simulated people?

I would guess not, if they're only having simulated sex

[Betonov]

As soon as this democracy passes, we can start living like humans again ~ Slovene saying

[Wolferz]

Basically, the Slovenian cure for anything, is to take something out of a forest, soak it in schnaps and then drink it ~ Michael Manske

Unless it's a dead skunk. It's best to leave that in the forest where it died.

[Jimbuna]

"Don't vote, it just encourages them." - Billy Connolly

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

"Don't vote, it just encourages them." - Billy Connolly

As my dad always says, "If you don't get off your arse and vote, you have no right to complain about the result. If there isn't any party or individual you like, turn up anyway and deface your voting slip before dropping it into the ballot box. At least you made the attempt!"

As for the main drift of the thread, the SNP always say that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for. If we did, you'd've had a permanent Labour government in the UK.

If that happened, you'd then have the Home Counties and the South East complaining about "not getting the Government they voted for"! So it cuts both ways.

As things are currently looking, if the SNP do as well as the polls suggest, then Scotland will never get the "Government it voted for" ever again as a constituent part of the UK. Don't ya just love it when nationalism starts dominating politics to the detriment of the real issues......!

Mike.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by MGR1

As my dad always says, "If you don't get off your arse and vote, you have no right to complain about the result. If there isn't any party or individual you like, turn up anyway and deface your voting slip before dropping it into the ballot box. At least you made the attempt!"

[Eichhörnchen]

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

"Don't vote, it just encourages them." - Billy Connolly

"Don't vote" - Russel Brand

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

That's about how serious democracy is handled here

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

As my dad always says, "If you don't get off your arse and vote, you have no right to complain about the result. If there isn't any party or individual you like, turn up anyway and deface your voting slip before dropping it into the ballot box. At least you made the attempt!"

As for the main drift of the thread, the SNP always say that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for. If we did, you'd've had a permanent Labour government in the UK.

If that happened, you'd then have the Home Counties and the South East complaining about "not getting the Government they voted for"! So it cuts both ways.

As things are currently looking, if the SNP do as well as the polls suggest, then Scotland will never get the "Government it voted for" ever again as a constituent part of the UK. Don't ya just love it when nationalism starts dominating politics to the detriment of the real issues......!

Mike.

I wonder what Salmond and Sturgeon are thinking when viewing the current price of oil and the future prediction?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I wonder what Salmond and Sturgeon are thinking when viewing the current price of oil and the future prediction?

Buy Scottish oil and tell the Arabs to get stuffed.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

Buy Scottish oil and tell the Arabs to get stuffed.

More likely:

"Thank God we lost the referendum otherwise we'd be amongst the worlds most impoverished countries within a decade"

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Classic!!

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

More likely:

"Thank God we lost the referendum otherwise we'd be amongst the worlds most impoverished countries within a decade"

----Snip----

Nope, more like sticking their heads in the sand whilst simultaneously sticking their fingers in their ears, humming very loudly and blaming it all on Westminster!

Sad thing is, people will still vote for them.
I think I'll vote for the Scottish Tories just to be rebellious!

Mike.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I wonder what Salmond and Sturgeon are thinking when viewing the current price of oil and the future prediction?

"If we had won we'd just blame this unexpected turn of events on the evil English"?