Queen humiliates US President

[Ria]

Keyboard cat!

[Castout]

Well watching CNN now I realize the Queen toasted after the Hymn.

I think the youtube clip was cut before that.

Not that bad at least not as bad as if the Queen didn't raise the glass afterwards .

The incident is a matter of slighted ego and slighting the ego of the head of government on official visit is not actually a friendly gesture, purposely or otherwise. US president no less was made to look like a goof.

Not at all, the president made an error and the band made an error, no one was slighted and any supposed ego that fragile should be wrapped in cotton wool and locked in a dark place.

On the otherhand a simple 'sorry' would suffice to ease Obama.

Sorry for what??????????

Not that bad at least not as bad as if the Queen didn't raise the glass afterwards

That was the queen humiliating herself.
Simple protocol, do you understand any of it?

I'd be more insulted as an American if be bowed to her. We fought a war with them so we would not have to do that.

Bull.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Not at all, the president made an error and the band made an error, no one was slighted and any supposed ego that fragile should be wrapped in cotton wool and locked in a dark place.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Sorry for what??????????

Please understand the comments before you post,
For not raising the glass.

I thought no one raised their glass afterwards.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That was the queen humiliating herself.
Simple protocol, do you understand any of it?

Now that I really don't understand.

Well here you're not getting it. The queen is a traditional monarch while Obama is an eloquent politician. A traditionalist may weigh protocol more important than anything else much like the Catholic church emphasizing ritual over spirituality. But a politician would weigh people more important than any protocol. The band or whoever that started that hymn is the one to be blamed however because it started while Obama was still speaking and thus it was a rude interruption. it's not like he was going to start a long speech or anything. The conclusion? British monarch function are rigid and inflexible the opposite of most politician character that put people first than protocol when dealing in their business. Why? because politicians need to deal with pressing issues everyday that make them to have to deal with people in order to solve them. That is if they are real politicians and not some sorry ass dictators who rely on money, terror, torture, violence and assassinations.

[Jimbuna]

So when does the next war between the UK and US begin?

I'll give anyone good odds we still remain as close an ally to one another as has been the case for the past hundred years

*Storm in a tea cup comes to mind*

[Matador.es]

Originally Posted by Betonov

So if I understand this right, the problem was when he continued to talk while God save the Queen was playing

Yes, i think thats the clue...

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by tater

I'd be more insulted as an American if be bowed to her. We fought a war with them so we would not have to do that.

Chill dude, it was a while ago now, and it's time we became- how to put it -comfortable with the post-revolutionary reality.

Please understand the comments before you post,

I understand the comments, they don't make any sense though in relation to the events.

For not raising the glass.

At what point? when he toasts the queen or when he toasts the queen? the mistake was he did it twice and missed out on the simple order of things.

I thought no one raised their glass afterwards.

I think you didn't look.

Now that I really don't understand.

Simple protocol.
One person stood who shouldn't have, but at least she remembered not to drink the toast

Well here you're not getting it

Really? you seem well out of your depth.
Like for example.....

The band or whoever that started that hymn

Hymn???????? national anthem, you know the tune that comes in when someone proposes a toast to the head of state.

it started while Obama was still speaking and thus it was a rude interruption.

Other way round, once he said five little words it was him who was interupting the band.

it's not like he was going to start a long speech or anything

Completely irrelevant.

The conclusion?

The conclusion you have is wrong, a formal function is a formal function

[Matador.es]

Title: Queen humiliates US President

i think its the other way around.... US president humiliates the Queen

[limkol]

Just thought about what Frank Drebbin would have done. Remember him? Police Squad, the Naked Gun?

At least Obama didn't take a leak with a radio microphone on!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by tater

I'd be more insulted as an American if be bowed to her. We fought a war with them so we would not have to do that.

Oh come on tater, that's just childish.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Oh come on tater, that's just childish.

Indeed, by that logic we should still be trying to shoot the German chancellor

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Indeed, by that logic we should still be trying to shoot the German chancellor

Not to imagine what we would be doing to any current Japanese Prime Minister. Protocol seems a pain, but is the grease that keep the wheels of diplomacy going.

Protocol seems a pain, but is the grease that keep the wheels of diplomacy going.

Yes, though I am sure there was outrage when Reagan made his wife cover her head just so they could meet some head of state without offending protocols over religious sensiblities.

[Takeda Shingen]

So it appears that the protocol is that no one may toast before the Queen lifts her glass. What I see as the problem is that the individual on the White House staff who's job it is to brief the President in such matters as to avoid embarrassment did not do his or her job. Of course, the President's detractors will use this to attack him, as we have seen from individuals in his thread. To the rabid neo-conservative, this is not a mere error in the protocols of royal society; it is another sign of the Apocalypse as perpetrated by their hated political rival.

Soon, Mr. Camping. Soon.