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Old 09-03-09, 07:32 AM   #31
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Tribeman - in the interest of a rational discussion based on history, what "factual errors" does the article have?
Where do you want to start?
From the beginning?
50 million Jews and Christians? what about all the others
Britain was bankrupt by 1945? it had been bankrupt since 1917.
Even british leaders thought ? A few politicians thought.
Violation of Woodrows principles? Principle 13 the new State of Poland to be created with access to the sea.
Why did warsaw not negotiate? they did, but access to the sea was vital for the country so all negotiations depended on that.
Drag them into a war with the most poweful nation in Europe? At the time France was seen as the most powerful nation in mainland Europe. Neither was the treaty unsolicited nor did it give Poland the power to drag Britain anywhere .

OK then he goes off about Hong Kong and gets more facts wrong , but thats a different subject.

Conquer the world ? well we could go into dear old uncle adolphs rants about creating a new world order and an empire that would span the globe or we could go with the President of the reichstag who clearly stated that this wouldn't be the second world war.....it would be the worldwide war for global domination between the aryan master race and the Jews.
The Slovaks had their full independance? Yeah right, that doesn't even need addressing.
How did partition manifest a drive for conquest? It was a step by step plan with lots of incremental steps all laid out in numerous plans for the future Reich by the ministries Hitler set up for his future empire.
We would all be speaking German now? The policy for future education was that people who were not the master race only needed to be able to understand traffic signs.
The Siegfried line ? thats already been dealt with as have the peace offers the French fleet and the incomplete German fleet.
The German bombers? that goes back to the plan for incremental steps.
Hitler wanted to end the war in 1940? Hitler wanted some temporary breathing space for redployment for his next expansion.
Two years before the camps? already dealt with that .
Ships that can't get out of the Baltic? does that really need any comment on this forum?
An alliance with Franco? Nope.
Tiso? that was a puppet regime not an alliance
Written off Alsace? Well what a thing to finish on , the poor volks cut off from the Fatherland and banned by the evil French from speaking their own language, Yeah Hitler never spoke frequently and at length about bringing the lost territories back to the Fatherland.



Is that enough or would you like another dozen errors from the article?
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Old 09-03-09, 08:20 AM   #32
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Two years before the camps? already dealt with that .
More evidence Pat doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He thinks the camps opened in 1942. Dachau opened in 1933. Followed soon by Sachsenhausen in 36, Buchenwald in 37, Flossenburg in 38, Mathausen and Ravensbruck in 39.
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Old 09-03-09, 09:00 AM   #33
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More evidence Pat doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He thinks the camps opened in 1942.
Maybe not , perhaps he only associates the long running state policy of murder with the passing of one event
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Old 09-03-09, 11:03 AM   #34
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look of the logistics of the war, its pretty clear that Germany could not have taken over the world even if they really wanted to. This article makes perfect sense. War is ALL about logistics. Amateurs study tactics, experts study logistics.
War is not all about logistics. War is about tactics and strategy (And many other things), which are restricted by the logistical capacity. Amateurs study logistics, experts study tactics, strategy and logistics.
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War is also about cake. Everyone keeps forgetting about the damned cake.
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War is also about cake. Everyone keeps forgetting about the damned cake.
The cake is a lie...

Sorry, had to
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Old 09-03-09, 02:47 PM   #37
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The cake is a lie...

Sorry, had to
The cake is a spy...

Here we go...
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The cake is a lie...

Sorry, had to
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The cake is a spy...

Here we go...
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Old 09-03-09, 03:42 PM   #41
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No logistics, no cake - dig it...?
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Tribesman - actually that was a very good post. Well done! You used fact - and as such I find we agree - the article is in error. We may reach that conclusion with different facts - but on this one we are on the same page.

For everyone else....

Show me a thief who robs a bakery - and I will show you a man that takes the cake.
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Old 09-03-09, 08:23 PM   #43
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Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.
Wait, are you suggesting that he ever "had it" to begin with?
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Buchy used to be Reagan's speechwriter. He probably came up with 'evil empire' etc. What's the matter with you Aramike, turning your back on old right-wingers?
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Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.
MSNBC have pulled it from their site - http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...nbc/index.html
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