Dept of Homeland Insecurity possibly banning all pocket knifes?

With all due respect Mr. Skybird I think you have missed the point as it applies to people. Disallowing the basic right of self preservasion in order to disalow firearms is the folly of the self righteous.

[Skybird]

With all due respect Mr. CastleBravo, but the ammount of violence seen in a nation is no random variable, but amongst some other variables is very prominently linked to a cultural context that makes fetishes of weapons and violence. And some societies on this globe are saturated and are drippingly wet with that kind of attitude. It's almost a religion, a holy grail, a golden cow, untouchable, unquestionable, beyond any criticism, ruling in importance above anything else.

Like junkeys are caring only for one thing day in, day out.

Originally Posted by Skybird

With all due respect Mr. CastleBravo, but the ammount of violence seen in a nation is no random variable, but amongst some other variables is very prominently linked to a cultural context that makes fetishes of weapons and violence. And some societies on this globe are saturated and are drippingly wet with that kind of attitude. It's almost a religion, a holy grail, a golden cow, untouchable, unquestionable, beyond any criticism, ruling in importance above anything else.

Like junkeys are caring only for one thing day in, day out.

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

So basically, you're saying to only means to preserve yourself is a firearm?

And what's with that last sentence? Everybody has a right, no, an obligation even, to die.

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

So basically, you're saying to only means to preserve yourself is a firearm?

And what's with that last sentence? Everybody has a right, no, an obligation even, to die.

No. That is not the only means of preserving my life but it is the most efficient, scientifically. If science is not your prefered method of explainining the world and you would rather go toward religion, that is OK with me.

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

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Snap!

who would have thought so much could be written about a can opener... I thought it was an airplane or a german pistol, so I looked it up; turns out there's a rather deep rabbit hole with a p38 at the bottom of it



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Originally Posted by castle bravo

How it is accomplished, visa vi the government

Sorry, but is your name David Brent, by any chance?

Seems most of you folks would disallow the basic human right of self preservation. If it isn't a basic right, how do you justify your existance?

Its just a question I by no means to upset any one. I just wish them to justify their position. If they can?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

You know what worries people like me in people like you? That you never ask the question why there is is so much - real or just imagined - threats against which you must defend yourself. Instead you just engage in an equivalent to an arms race, and end up in a spiral that leaves your police clueless where this should end. They will get new cars, the Carbon-type of vehicles - I'm sure that solves problems. And all the time your society sees more and more violence and readiness to use it, and less and lesser scruples in youngsters to turn violent, and where 30 years ago fists were flying, now immediately a shooting begins, and when somebody lies on the ground, the other kicks his face even more, and maybe we see the video on the web soon. Media and culture are celebrating violence. Hollywoods makes profits with it. The arms industry anyway. Films and movies idolise it. The national way of life teaches it. Idols glorify it.

And this culture of violence gets exported into all the world.

Hm.

You must not worry about me, btw. I have learned and been trained for long years to fight with bare hands, sticks and swords, since my youth. I survived and repelled one unexpected knife attack on my life, and fought off armed street robbers three times in three different ME countries. Because I can do that efficiently without necessarily needing a gun, I got hired and payed quite a good fee although being just a student taking a timeout from university.

There are no rules being accepted anymore, and the violence becomes excessive. Young kids torture other kids to death. And more and more it swaps over to our nations on this side of the pond as well.

And your cultures only answer to questions you never ask is "get guns" and "carrying a gun is a man's right." Brilliant.

"Takes more than combat gear to make a man,
takes more than a rifle or a gun."

Instead of arming your people up to the teeth you should - and we should as well - take more care to educate the people better. and where you want them to be able to defend themselves, you should train them, instead of just buying stupid guns. Training forms the character, btw.

Start asking questions about why things are the way they are, man. Because you know as well as I do, even if your country would be the most peaceful place with zero crime in the world - your culture would not be thankful for not needing them, but would still be crazy for getting guns.

And that raises big questions. So start asking them. Or is what you see on TV not scaring enough already? It will become worse. You have only two hands to hold guns. Any thoughts?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

A can opener. Boy, and I was torturing my brain, wondering what it is. I thought it was some piece of creative homecraftsmanship.

'You know what worries people like me in people like you'?

You lost me right there by setting a a border between us instead of forging communication between us. Are you that arogant Mr. Skybird?

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

No. That is not the only means of preserving my life but it is the most efficient, scientifically. If science is not your prefered method of explainining the world and you would rather go toward religion, that is OK with me.

Well if you say that self preservation plays no value for someone who critizes a culture of guns and violence, I think what I stated is correct.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

'You know what worries people like me in people like you'?

You lost me right there by setting a a border between us instead of forging communication between us. Are you that arogant Mr. Skybird?

I reject foul compromises, and over this issue we are as split as splitting can be. If that is arrogance in your eyes, so be it. To me it is knowing where I stand on things.

And this is not the first debate of this issue here. and that's why I stop it here, for my own part.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I reject foul compromises, and over this issue we are as split as splitting can be. If that is arrogance in your eyes, so be it. To me it is knowing where I stand on things.

And this is not the first debate of this issue here. and that's why I stop it here, for my own part.

I also understand where you will give up yo're life for some 'higher' level. That is you're right. But please don't take away the rights of others in the process.

[SUBMAN1]

You guys really think this is a fake scare, right? Think again. The NRA is now on the bandwagon:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=4972

Seems they have a link to the proposed rule here:

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/CBPkniferuling.pdf

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Did this ever pass?

-S