A right wing movie coming out

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

To me it suggests that if Obama fixed the economy, cured cancer and made great strides in foreign policy ....

Obama is taking no action that will fix the economy, cure cancer, or put us in a prime position in foreign policy. In fact he is endangering our soldiers by going in the direction of military budget cuts in a time of war, releasing more terrorist detainees, and giving dangerous and mixed signals to terrorist organizations by giving the USS Cole bombers a clean slate. He will not grow jobs or jump start a fearful consumer and investment economy by using policies that reward failure and punishes good decision making. You can count on it. And so far, having the whiny countries of Europe "love us again" seems not to be of any real benefit in our foreign policy. And no, he has no ability to cure cancer. But I'm sure many of the nuts who showed up at his rallies thinks he can.

[Enigma]

While the same old tired agenda exists yet again...

-Democrats are stupid and do not think for themselves.
-B. Hussein Obama, blah blah blah
-Drones
-And the overall idea that you are smarter than the majority of the country.

And so the hero worship with no substance sounds all the same to me. Yes, the first month of this guy has been a complete flop. And a first impression is an important thing.

So, if the people elected him,and he remains popular, it has to be "hero worship". This , on it's face, is pure nonsense. There's no doubt that there has been some examples of Obama's "rock star" effect. Big deal. The country is refreshed by this man after the past 8 dreadful years. I don't see it as a bad thing. It's good to be inspired by your leaders. It's good to think highly of them. It's good to have a leader with a positive image in the world. This "first impression" you speak of has been a vastly positive one for Obama. Not to you, I undertand. But for many, the majority it seems. This speaks as well to the idea that the first month has been a complete flop. Every shred of evidence you can produce suggests otherwise. He remains a popular President.

Tell me Enigma. What business has Obama run? When has he ever met a payroll?

Far be it from me to discuss Obamas resume with you. Campaign season is over. His resume may be found on any public web sites if you wish to read it. Not to mention, this country has seen what an "experienced" political insider gets us. I am of the opinion that an intelligent, reasonable man with good intentions and good people around him trumps a long time political insider who owes to many favors, has too many friends with their hands out, and has learned to turn to use the Presidency as a way to turn a profit for him and his friends.

How many jobs has your hero actually grown in our economy? Where has he actually served in an executive capacity? What makes him capable of leading a military? He never served in any capacity.

The President cited just last night that there were some 50+ police officers on the beat in Minnesota as a result of his action, that would otherwise had been layed off. Again, this is 30 days in. You are looking for massive job production numbers from a President 30 days in. Also, military service is not an essential to be Commanderin Cheif. If it was it would be a law. You forget that the American people elected this man over a man with an exceptional military record. Having served does not automatically make you a btter military leader.
As an aside, every time you refer to Obama as my "hero" your case weakens. You canmake your point without talking to me as if I'm a blubbering girl chasing the Beatles down the docks of Merseyside. Or maybe you can't...?

Do you think it's such a great idea to reduce our nuclear deterrent to 1,000 or less warheads? What is nuclear deterrence and what has been it's role in keeping the peace for the last 60 or so years? Do you know what capital risk is? Do you know what disposable income is? Do you understand how inflation is created and how it impacts an economy like ours? Did you listen to B. Hussein Obama last night.....and actuaslly hear what he said? Did you comprehend it? Yes, I think most of those who voted for this guy did so not understanding any of this. It's clear that many were caught up in hero worship, blatant economic ignorance, and class envy as a means to vote for somebody so dangerously unqualified to be the POTUS. Perhaps you were one of those.

Seriously, if you understand anything about how incentive, economic growth and true national security works....you could never vote for somebody like this. Almost everything this guy talks about in principle and planning is antithetical to all of this. Even though it sounds pretty and sounds "fair".

All of the above fits nicely into the demon doctrine©.

-Democrats are stupid and do not think for themselves.
-B. Hussein Obama, blah blah blah
-Drones
-And the overall idea that you are smarter than the majority of the country.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

So, if the people elected him,and he remains popular, it has to be "hero worship". This , on it's face, is pure nonsense. There's no doubt that there has been some examples of Obama's "rock star" effect. Big deal. The country is refreshed by this man after the past 8 dreadful years. I don't see it as a bad thing. It's good to be inspired by your leaders. It's good to think highly of them. It's good to have a leader with a positive image in the world. This "first impression" you speak of has been a vastly positive one for Obama. Not to you, I undertand. But for many, the majority it seems. This speaks as well to the idea that the first month has been a complete flop. Every shred of evidence you can produce suggests otherwise. He remains a popular President.

Yeah, but your hero is doing everything he can to reward failure and take the incentive out of expanding businesses. All the while he's telling you how he's going to "create" jobs with no actual substance to it. No plans detailed. And you drones slobber all over it without even questioning how he's going to create jobs and expand the economy if he's taking the incentive out of it for investors and those that actually do create jobs like small to medium businesses. What you deem as positive is merely Obamabots listening to someone who knows nothing about market economics talk pretty, yet with no details. Those that understand capital investment, incentive, risk, and economic growth hear his words, and knows how detrimental it all is. Some people actually can filter out some of the other empty class envy rhetoric as well. There is no hope there for anybody who loves freedom and cherishes personal responsibility...only those of you who depend on government.

Far be it from me to discuss Obamas resume with you. Campaign season is over. His resume may be found on any public web sites if you wish to read it. Not to mention, this country has seen what an "experienced" political insider gets us. I am of the opinion that an intelligent, reasonable man with good intentions and good people around him trumps a long time political insider who owes to many favors, has too many friends with their hands out, and has learned to turn to use the Presidency as a way to turn a profit for him and his friends.

I don't know. I think it's important that somebody who is put in charge of the executive branch during a time of economic crises have at least some qualifications. Obama truly has none. And his personal resume doesn't have anything there that qualifies him to run anything on an executive level. Much less the government of the USA. As I said, he's never run a business. Never met a payroll. Never managed a business for another party. Never created jobs or managed an enterprise into a position of growth. He's never led anybody in the military as he never served in uniform in any way at all. Not even in a JR. ROTC. He actually has nothing on his resume that qualifies him in any way shape or form. Rabble rousing the streets of Chicago is not a qualifier.

The President cited just last night that there were some 50+ police officers on the beat in Minnesota as a result of his action, that would otherwise had been layed off. Again, this is 30 days in. You are looking for massive job production numbers from a President 30 days in. Also, military service is not an essential to be Commanderin Cheif. If it was it would be a law. You forget that the American people elected this man over a man with an exceptional military record. Having served does not automatically make you a btter military leader.

That's not actual job growth or economic expansion. It represents actual salaries, pension, and benefits that taxpayers have to come up with. So it's really moot. If you're growing an economy, you need to actually expand economic growth, reward and provide incentive to create and innovate. So just there, you can see that he has no idea or clue. And while Military experience is not essential for Commander in Chief, it is something that helps. And when you have no qualifications at all....like Obama, it is something you should at least have. And it looks real bad for him because so far he seems more concerned for terrorist detainees rights, rather than if our own troops have all they need to ensure their mission is successful. And taking steps, planning ahead to reduce our nuclear deterrent to 1,000 warheads in total shows no committment to American national security. He doesn't know how the deterrence model has kept the peace and has made military confrontations between the major powers less likely. I'm sure Dems like you love his "intentions", but like Democrat intentions of the past, it always leads to misery for all. And yes, the sheep of the left keep lapping it up and observe nothing around them.

[Enigma]

Ok, so clearly you can't have a conversation without attempting to insult me as part of the SeaDemon Doctrine©. Fair enough. Good to know for future avoidance.

We disagree. I'm fine with that.

Although, I think this terrorist rights babble should be in the doctrine, too. To favor due process is to favor terrorist rights? That's just desperation....

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Ok, so clearly you can't have a conversation without attempting to insult me as part of the SeaDemon Doctrine©. Fair enough. Good to know for future avoidance.

We disagree. I'm fine with that.

Although, I think this terrorist rights babble should be in the doctrine, too. To favor due process is to favor terrorist rights? That's just desperation....

Where have I insulted you? Where I said "those of you" in the first paragraph? I was speaking generally about left wing sheep..not you directly. I actually questioned you for answers you didn't answer about Obama's qualifications. And I would like to know where the substance is on anything he says. It's not there. There is no real economic growth, incentive, or innovation...just more government jobs that equal more salaries, benefits and pensions that the taxpayers have to pony up for now and down the road. And you clearly equated that with real growth incorrectly. I am firm that Democrats voted for Obama due to a lack of understanding on how economic growth, incentive, and true national security works. And I stand by it. Obama didn't outline in his speech anything last night that dealt with any of it in any realistic way. Just the same old government intrusion, government mandates, and military budget cuts....while in a time of war. And yes, you hate it, but he has done more for the terrorist detainees in his first month than ensuring our troops have what they need to succeed in their mission. I give him credit for doing a Bush surge like strategy in Afghanistan, but calling for military budget cuts, and dropping charges against Cole bombers kinda makes it moot. You don't like it..too bad.

Sorry, but there is no insults in there. Just answers to your posts. With a little harmless sarcasm put in.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

...your hero...

...you drones slobber all over it...

What you deem as positive is merely Obamabots listening to someone who knows nothing about market economics talk pretty, yet with no details.

Some people actually can filter out some of the other empty class envy rhetoric as well.

I'm sure Dems like you love his "intentions", but like Democrat intentions of the past, it always leads to misery for all. And yes, the sheep of the left keep lapping it up and observe nothing around them.

No insults? I see nothing but insults in your phrasing and attitude. And I'm on your side.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No insults? I see nothing but insults in your phrasing and attitude. And I'm on your side.

A point i'm trying to get across to him in the pilots thread...

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No insults? I see nothing but insults in your phrasing and attitude. And I'm on your side.

Well, I'm kind of irritated by what I'm seeing on a daily basis. And it's only a little harmless sarcasm. It's thrown my way as well by many others in many other topics. Sorry.

[Sailor Steve]

I agree; people on all sides of all arguments get excited from time to time. I've come to a point in my life where even when I'm certain I'm right I still don't trust my judgement to be perfect, or even very good. I'm much more Conservative than Liberal, and believe that the government should go away and leave us alone, except to referee disagreements so we don't all kill each other. That said, I'm not convinced that some sort of socialistic welfare state isn't the best thing for a crowded modern society. I can't see it working, but has anybody honestly tried. The governments that have tried have been totalitarian in nature. Could it work in a democracy? I don't know. I'm afraid of the idea as much as most Conservatives and outright Libertarians. I just wish I could see an honest debate on the subject (or any other) rather than people who are so convinced of their rightness that they can't discuss it without trying to make the other guy look stupid.

This is why these days I argue the points less and concern myself more with the honesty of the arguments being used.

[SteamWake]