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Old 09-24-08, 03:16 PM   #31
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You've apparently never lived in or near a coal mining community. Places like that aren't known for their job diversity. So the options are 1) keep working, 2) quit and either starve or live off the government, or 3) move. But moving 1) costs money, and 2) kinda necesitates a job at your destination. Coal mining doesn't really prepare you for any other job and a lot of them don't have more than a High School education, so where do they get a job? I'm not saying this guys brother can't find a single berth on another ship that doesn't travel through that area, but the selection may be limited and the competition stiff. In that case, he may literally only have 2 choice, keep working or starve.

But the root of this is that what you're saying is the functional equivalent of blaming the victim for the attacker's crime. Not only is that not really sensible (stupid France, they should have known Germany was going to invade and done something about it. It's their fault WWII happened), but it doesn't work in a legal sense either. It is not the merchant's fault that the pirates are there.

As for why the evil corporation insist on sending the stupid merchant so close to somalia, the reason is sea lanes. Don't blame the corporations for driving on the highway. Sea lanes are chosen for a number of reasons, obstacles, shallow/deep water, closer to land (in case of emergency), and efficiency. You don't move a highway just because a bad neighborhood grew up around it. You patrol the highway. But you don't blame motorists who have to drive on that highway to get to work because they don't pack heat in their car either.
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Old 09-24-08, 03:43 PM   #32
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You've apparently never lived in or near a coal mining community. Places like that aren't known for their job diversity. So the options are 1) keep working, 2) quit and either starve or live off the government, or 3) move. But moving 1) costs money, and 2) kinda necesitates a job at your destination. Coal mining doesn't really prepare you for any other job and a lot of them don't have more than a High School education, so where do they get a job? I'm not saying this guys brother can't find a single berth on another ship that doesn't travel through that area, but the selection may be limited and the competition stiff. In that case, he may literally only have 2 choice, keep working or starve.

But the root of this is that what you're saying is the functional equivalent of blaming the victim for the attacker's crime. Not only is that not really sensible (stupid France, they should have known Germany was going to invade and done something about it. It's their fault WWII happened), but it doesn't work in a legal sense either. It is not the merchant's fault that the pirates are there.

As for why the evil corporation insist on sending the stupid merchant so close to somalia, the reason is sea lanes. Don't blame the corporations for driving on the highway. Sea lanes are chosen for a number of reasons, obstacles, shallow/deep water, closer to land (in case of emergency), and efficiency. You don't move a highway just because a bad neighborhood grew up around it. You patrol the highway. But you don't blame motorists who have to drive on that highway to get to work because they don't pack heat in their car either.
I'm from Virginia actually and have family from West Virginia. I've seen many of those towns that died when the coal mines ran out of coal. I know all about this. My tag says New England but it was not always so. I moved. Yes it is expensive. Yes, there are no guarantees. Frankly, I had to follow the money to a bigger better market. I have zero regrets. You just have to go where opportunity is. I know it's ugly up here, but she puts out! I miss the pretty mountains down there, but I don't miss 6.50 an hour jobs.

I know it's bad down there. A. Coal Mine B. McDonalds C. Military. No job is worth your life. You can go to West Virginia and see 60,000 dollar cars sitting in front of trailers. Those people gamble with their lives.

As for blaming the victim. I suggest you read The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli and some Tsun Tzu. My point in mentioning these books is that they have two common themes. Wagging your finger at the bad man and saying "that's not nice" won't do you any good. It didn't save France and it won't saved an easy target off the coast of Africa.

If you want peace, you better be ready for war. Look at that US Navy vessel that fire the warning shots. Does he want peace? Yes. He only got peace because war was an option. It's the way of the world, ESPECIALLY the 3rd world. Those pirates left because they didn't want to die. NOT because they would just be "nice". Those people don't understand nice, they understand power and power only. Now before you get excited I'm not calling out everyone on the continent of Africa in that way. I am only saying that of the men with the guns looking for victims.

We can wax philosophical if you want, but you have to follow the golden rule of the 3rd world. "Do unto others before others do unto you".
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