they got Karadizc!

[Skybird]

Just curious, Frame. Are you Serb by origin, with an American passport now, having been US-submariner, but now living in Germany?

Agree on your parts about immigrants, although fairness demands to note that not all immigrants are like that. Asians for example usually seem to try hard to fit in. Peoploe from Slavic countries, especially German-Russians, often show good will but lacking self-esteem and a certain shyness that makes itn hard for them to adapt into this social environment which often they perceive as much colder and unfriendly than the world they left behind. eurppeans living in Germany, usually adapt well, too. the very huge majority of problems is set up by people from Islamic nations, it simply is true. but even here one needs to see individuals. My dentist is Syrian, my cardiologist is Iranian, and both are not suspicious of being ideologists, have adapted to Germany in full, and speak the language fluent. On the other hand, third generation Turks - of whom friends of mankind usually would assume to have adapted even more than there parents (who are almost imune to integration) - tend towards stronger Turkish nationalism and islamic radicalisation than even their parents. and from my old job I remember the warehouse detectives (all of them from the ME, since their agency focussed on employing immigrants) saying that more than 50% of their clinetel are muslim juveniles, and that they are totally overrfepresented in crime statistics, and that no other ethnic group acts as aggressive and unimpressed towards them or the police. Juveniles crime statistics of the German police also shows juveniles from Muslim countries being in lead of the statistics. Most cases when I had troubles with customers in the store, these were People from the ME and Turkey, older people still not having learned my language (although having lived for many years in Germany, bviously), youngster behaving with verbal attacks on me or others - but both often behaving as if the place and the land was all theirs - and as if me or anybody else would owe them anything. and this is a kind of people I certainly do not like a bit, and do not tolerate to be here.

[Frame57]

No Sky, My Grand Dad fought in WW1 for the Serbian Army. He was awarded land near Kosovo and gave it to his brother before he migrated to America after WW1. I have many relatives in Serbia. I am a US Citizen. Our family here in America had to sent over 20,000 US dollars to my relatives because the UN bulldozed their property and forced them out and had to relocate. The UN did this to all Serbs that lived within 10 miles of the Kosovo area. The land was given by Serbia for my Grandfather's patriotic servic during the war and the UN thinks they had the right to do this. This included the family graveyard. Tombstones and all were just bulldozed. So, I do have a bone to pick with the UN. I have no answer to what can quench the fire of the centuries old blood fued between the muslim and the serb. I wish they could find a way to live in peace. Things were going well while Tito ran things. The story i got was all this erupted when Islamic terrorist started to snipe people while in church and began to burn their churches. I cannot say with a clear concious that two wrongs make a right, but the Serb mind set has been to fight fire with fire. A cousin of mine who now lives in Belgrade told me that people who now live in Kosovo are becoming the new heroin suppliers of eastern europe. A difficult situation needless to say.

[Skybird]

I certainly see the ambitions of Milosevic and Karadzic leading beyond simple self-defense, however I have already revised my old attitude on the West's role on the Balkans, and NATO's war. since we had no obligation to be in defense of serbish interests as you describe them, and western position became questionable when wanting to stop the snipering at Sarajevo, but not caring for Muslim snipers as you described, and sending peacekeepers with a totally idiotic mandate that forbid them to be effective, which led to the disgusting role they played in Screbrenica, and it definitely has not been in our interest to make Albanian Muslims puring into Kosovo and taking it while erecting a government of Mafia-gangsters, war criminals, and former brutal Militia leaders, we really should have kept out of it. Instead we bombed Serbish factories (mind you that Serb forces were cabable to withdraw almost untouched, in good order, most units without even notable losses, and 9 out of 10 smart missiles having been fooled by fake doubles, so said the British MoD). sure it would have been a mess to let have Milosevic ruling all those places by use of terror and brutality, but I cannot say that I conclude the situation now is more preferrable. the tensions in bosnia are being supressed and I fear are growing in the hidden. there is Kosovo and what it is now. The balkans was a stategic lose-lose-situation for the West from the beginning. In such cases it probably is best to simply stay out, instead of gettig dirty hands all for nothing.

Don't take it personally when I say I am fed up with the Balkans, completely. It was a source of mess in the past, and it still is today. That you with Serb ancestors see it different, I can understand.

[Diopos]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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Don't take it personally when I say I am fed up with the Balkans, completely.
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Me, too.
But this is somewhat of a problem as I'm Greek!
So the Balkans are my neighborhood and when your neighborhood gets on fire more than once (:hmm: ) you get a bit jumpy!

[Frame57]

I have also heard that there are plans to make the Adriatic coast into a Monte Carlo resort and Casino's. The Serbs are against this. But I have found that all too often when things happen, you just follow the money. Bah! Time for a Warsteiner.