You'll probably be voting Democrat/Republican in 2008:

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

What you don't love this????

Cheap shot - you can find goofy/scary pictures of almost anyone; witness the celebrity photos on the cover of any supermarket rag.

Still, it's pretty funny.

[The WosMan]

LOL, not only does her face give me nightmares but that shrill voice on her is enough to peel the paint off the wall. No wonder her husband runs out with other woman and cheats on her. I would too if I had to wake up next to that thing every day.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I think taxes have to be looked at from both ends. As in, what you're getting for your tax payments.
Saying that low taxes should be a goal is a little...myopic?

Not if you're someone who stives to have minimal need for govt support.

[Spruence M]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I would say I vote for principles. The candidate with principles that I agree with gets my vote. Lower taxes, no illegal immigration, less govt. and take the fight to Al Queda and terrorists.

Could'nt have been said better.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Cheap shot - you can find goofy/scary pictures of almost anyone; witness the celebrity photos on the cover of any supermarket rag.

Still, it's pretty funny.

D'oh, you caught me.:rotfl: I race in; launch my torpedoes, then get out of the convoy before the escorts can attack.

Oh, sorry for any extra trauma.

[geetrue]

Now that I think about taxes ... I wonder if we are building that wall between Mexico and the Southwest to keep them out or keep them in ... :hmm:

Where do the dem's and the republican's stand on this? I hope this is not a hi-jacking ... just wondering.
I know Bush and Mccain are firm on allowing the illegals to stay, but from the number emails I get ... a whole lot of people in America are against it.

Should I start another thread or is this one okay?

[bradclark1]

Lower taxes = no money = no border security
Lower taxes = no money = no port security
Lower taxes = no money = sub standard airport security

Or, we can just stack it on top of the multi-trillions we owe, or we can just print more.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lower taxes = no money = no border security
Lower taxes = no money = no port security
Lower taxes = no money = sub standard airport security

Or, we can just stack it on top of the multi-trillions we owe, or we can just print more.

Could be but how about holding tax rates at the moment and cutting bloated government bureaucratic inefficiency? I bet that would even improve the US' carbon footprint. :p

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lower taxes = no money = no border security
Lower taxes = no money = no port security
Lower taxes = no money = sub standard airport security

Or, we can just stack it on top of the multi-trillions we owe, or we can just print more.

Actually, we see more money coming in from tax cuts. The problem is that pols see more money coming in for them to spend on assorted pork. Lower taxes equals more private sector growth. Which means more federal revenues.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/images/chart.gif

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Actually, we see more money coming in from tax cuts. The problem is that pols see more money coming in for them to spend on assorted pork. Lower taxes equals more private sector growth. Which means more federal revenues.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/images/chart.gif

That was from 1983. Lets jump ahead 18 or 19 years to look at this presidents cuts:
I'll be the first to say I'm far from being an economics wiz and if someone can't dazzle me with brilliance they can probably baffle me with bulls#!t but this doesn't look so great to me.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...es/b34039.html

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/gwbdata.pdf

http://www.cbpp.org/3-8-06tax.htm

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/debt0907.pdf

http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm

[geetrue]

The news keeps saying the national debt is coming down ...

Here's a chart that says who's been responcible for the national debt increase:

http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

If you can complain about taxes ... your making more than I am anyway.

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lower taxes = no money = no border security
Lower taxes = no money = no port security
Lower taxes = no money = sub standard airport security

How about instead of cutting those things we cut all the pork barrel projects and other congressional boondoggles instead? Oh no, but that won't happen because it's easier to scare people into accepting higher taxes when they cut important stuff...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lower taxes = no money = no border security


Or, we can just stack it on top of the multi-trillions we owe, or we can just print more.

Come on, Brad, think more creatively. One solution fixes everything: enforce the laws that prohibits hiring illegal aliens.

The govt will raise mucho $$$ by fining the crap out of these greedy businesses that break the law and hire illegals at slave wages (and are also driving down labor wages in the US); when illegals can't get a job in the US, even with fraudulent Social Security docs, they will migrate back to Mexico* (no, they are not eligible for welfare, food stamps, or unemployment, so don't even ask. Illegal, remember? ) ; implement a flexible guest worker program that tracks every migrant worker into the US and allows them to work and reside under the terms of their visa (they cannot apply for citizenship); require applicants to apply in border towns in MEXICO and pay a small application fee (more $$ for the US govt)--it's cheaper and safer than coyotes; make sure all guest workers are paid and treated fairly--no more ripping off migrant workers, just because they are illegal.


Problem solved, now let's talk about Iran. :hmm:


*Don't tell me the illegals cannot/will not migrate back home, they seemed perfectly capable of migrating north in the first place.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Problem solved, now let's talk about Iran. :hmm:

Like a batch of pre-NFL popcorn - Nuke it! :rotfl:

And hey, dont stop migrant workers applying for citizenship. I need to one day!!

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

How about instead of cutting those things we cut all the pork barrel projects and other congressional boondoggles instead? Oh no, but that won't happen because it's easier to scare people into accepting higher taxes when they cut important stuff...

I'm in full agreement with you. I'm not an economics wiz but I am a realist. As long as there are politicians there will be pork. Bridges to nowhere, highways to nowhere are good for votes. Alaska has been king of pork for years.
Last year $29 billion was spent on pork.
This year 2,658 projects were stuffed into the Defense and Homeland Security Appropriations Acts, at a cost of $13.2 billion. Alaska and Hawaii
were the biggest porkers.

Over the 10-year period from 2005 through 2014, the direct costs of the enacted and proposed tax cuts would total $2.8 trillion. From 2005 through 2014, the increased interest payments on the debt that result from the tax cuts would amount to $1.1 trillion. So all told that is going to cost 3.9 trillion dollars.
What cost us more? But killing pork would definetly help.