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06-25-07, 07:31 PM
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Ace of the Deep
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based on what i read in the OPs other thread, there ain't no way in hell i'm dl'ing this
 . i'll keep the captain midnight's more CBS news as it is, atleast until there's an even better version:hmm: , if that's at all possible
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06-25-07, 07:38 PM
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Weps
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I think I'll avoid Blight's "mods"
 Blight, it is easy to give proper credit. I "modded" Hitman's AOB whiz wheel, with his permission and knowledge, converting it from .bmp format to DeltaCad format to get a little bit "crisper" printout. Thread where Hitman and I discussed it is here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116542 1st thing I've ever contributed to the community, and here is what I put in my "readme": Quote:
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06-26-07, 07:38 PM
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06-26-07, 07:43 PM
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Mate
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Mp3's anyone?
It's a Great Big Gigantic pile of Mp3's! All the game sounds have been compressed and are 100 meg smaller. These are recorded sounds, not our work!
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06-26-07, 07:47 PM
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Mate
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06-26-07, 10:05 PM
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Ace of the Deep
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06-26-07, 11:41 PM
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Grey Wolf
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I didn't particularly want to do this, but here it goes. The song/show files are easy to download, the hard work and time put in comes from scripting these shows in files called event.ini.
==================== His adventure station and event.ini is significantly different enough from my adventure station. They do combine the same programs (Terry and the Pirates, Ellory Queen, World Adventure Club), but they are played at different times, the file strucutre is different, and there appears to be a significant number of different files. No qualms there. ===================== His AFRS Command Performance station is the same as Von Manteuffel's. As Von Manteuffel laid out, it is the exact same file naming structure VM came up with. Excerpt of BL's AFRS event.ini Quote:
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Credit Von Manteuffel. =============================== BL's BBC station has 96 files, 95 sound files and 1 event.ini. The exact same number as my BBC station. BL's audio files are renamed to the only the date, whereas mine contain the date and a description for the most part. Looking at a small sample from the files, they are from the same dates and times. A coincidence? Perhaps, but looking at the event.ini excerpt of BL's BBC station's event.ini Quote:
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Ok sure, if you want to disregard that the days and times are the exact same, go ahead. But he also has the same syntax error in this file that I did from an earlier verstion. BL's syntax error Quote:
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He also has files that have no exact broadcast date played the exact date and time I selected to play them. See the december 16 EVENT above. That sound file only had a december date, we both somehow choose the 16th to play it, fancy that. Credit tedhealy. Moving on. =========================== BL has a CBS news station, hollywood station, and los angeles station. I did not examine these closely, but a quick glance reveals some similarity to my earlier hollywood mod with both a hollywood and los angeles station, but they are significantly different enough that I make no claims here. I am unsure if BL's CBS station is similar to CaptainCox's CBS mod. BL has a 'Nip_Island folder, I have a jmusic folder serving the same purpose - random music. I make no claim here other than the similarity in file/folder structure. =========================== BL has a russian random music station with 49 songs. I have a random russian music station with 49 songs. Every song is exactly the same. I downloaded these songs from http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/alphabet.php?letter=D Go through the site, there are probably 1000 songs on there from 20th century russia. Not all are world war 2 songs and I did not download all ww2 songs. I hand picked some 200 songs from various parts of the alphabet to download. I then weeded out some 150 songs to come up with the 49 I used. I tried to get a wide variety of musical styles rather than hearing a variation of the same song over and over. I find it impossible that BL would have picked the same songs I did. I doubt he even knew where those russian songs came from (as he indicated in an earlier post). There is no event.ini with this russian station as it is just random music, I only claim this as further evidence that he is using my mod as his own. It very well could be a coincidence that he sifted through hundreds of songs and got the same ones I did, but I sincerely doubt that. At least hat tip tedhealy as these are identical, I spent hours downloading and weeding out these songs, BL did not. ======================= BL has a superman station He has 87 files, I have 88. Interesting, let's look at the event.ini Excerpt of BL superman event.ini Quote:
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And it goes on like this for all 86 sound files. The exact same. BL's one missing file comes at the end of the war. I played a final superman show in august of 1945, BL does not have this file. I guess he got tired of copying and pasting. Credit tedhealy ============================= BL has a Shadow station. I have a Shadow station. This one is different enough that I have no complaint here. Some of the same files are played on the same dates, but he has about double the number of files I have. There are some odd coincidences here and there like a files from pre-war years that are played in in the same month and year between our mods, but it is changed enough that I make no claim. I would only guess he used my mod as a base and added to it and edited it, but that is just a guess. ========================== BL has a Tokyo station. I have a Tokyo Station. He has a few more files than me and the Japanese audio files that are out there are few and far between. It comes down to the event.ini's again. Because there were so few tokyo rose sign on/sign off clips out there, I decided to rotate them on a weekly basis. A sign on one week, a sign off the next. There are only about 5 or six of these. He has the exact same random rotation of sign on/sign off's that I do, once again on the same days and times excerpt of BL tokyo event.ini Quote:
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I say that is my old tokyo event.ini because there is a sound event that is called that is not in my mod. This produces a CTD when the file is supposed to be played. I fixed this in later versions. BL has the same problem. At this point I'm not going to point out the file, he can find it on his own if he wishes. Oh, and for some reason he scripts sound events to november of 1945, not sure why on that. BL did add some of his own work on this, but my mod is the base, credit tedhealy (except when you get a CTD, then curse BL) =============================== BL has a us_island station/folder. I used to have one in my early version of multistation washington. I abandoned this setup for several reasons. No real complaints here other than further evidence of the similarities of the mods. ============================== BL has added to the default washington radio station, as have I. He has added some text messages that go along with the radio messages. Some are similar to mine, some are not. Some examples, BL's at the top, mine at the bottom Quote:
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Again, the whole file is like this. He has missed a few files I had, but I'd guesstimate a 95 to 99% match. Perhaps these were files I added in a later version, I'm not sure on that. Credit tedhealy ===================== Finally. As before excerpt of BL radio.in Quote:
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EDIT I provided the latest example of my radio.ini where I dropped the values after the decimal places in latitude/longitude, but many are the same. BL HAS edited some of the lats/longs himself for some new locations. He did change MusicVolumeOnNews. See http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109256 for the work I put in on this. Granted, the station names and frequencies do differ between our radio.inis, but it is pretty obvious he copied mine, then edited it as his own. This one I dont' mind too much, but at the very least a hat tip to me would be nice. One, for coming up with the "magic slahses" for sound events for different stations pulled from the same folder would be nice. I doubt BL stumbled on this himself. And two, for the general format he used of dividing up the stations See http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=108863&page=2 for explanation of magic slash At least a hey thanks tedhealy for the work you put in on the radio.ini would be nice. Last edited by tedhealy; 06-27-07 at 01:05 AM. |
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06-27-07, 12:17 AM
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Grey Wolf
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I almost forgot, there are new sound effects files included with BL's mod too. I wonder if these are just compressed stock sounds or also swiped from another mod? It's a bit funny that BL includes sh.sdl file.
EDIT Listening to the emergency dive file, it's from U-571 movie, so whoever's mod included that, you have been swiped from too. I'd guess the other files are swiped right along with that. |
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06-27-07, 02:20 AM
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Sea Lord
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06-27-07, 06:08 AM
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The Old Man
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Whoah! This thread is very confusing for a lamen like myself. Now, I've downloaded the MOD but haven't installed it yet after reading some of this stuff about people's hard work not being acknowledged. So, am I right in saying that Blue-Lightining has put together the best radio MOD yet, whilst standing on the shoulders of other modding community giants? I, like many others, have been waiting for someone with the necessary skills to realise the potential of SH4's Radio system. Am I right in thinking this MOD is as close as anybody has currently got? I'm not happy about the lack of respect shown to those involved in the development process though. Maybe Onkel Neal can adjudicate on this one?
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06-27-07, 06:35 AM
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Ocean Warrior
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subsim asks that all modders respect the work of others and give credit where it's due. This happens on a daily basis, and our talented modders receive the written aknowledgement they are entitled to when new mods are created that include existing mods.
On rare occasions, we encounter a new modder who either doesn't get it, or who thinks that crediting the original modder or modders is not required. In this Forum, it is required if the member is to become a respected member of the modding community. We can't force BLIGHTLIGHTNING to do the right thing here, we can only hope that he does. If he doesn't, then it would become an issue for Neal to assess what action should be taken. |
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06-27-07, 10:46 AM
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Grey Wolf
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Download it, use it, whatever, I don't care anymore. I'm actually a bit more surprised at the subsim response here. This character has shown he has no intention of crediting those he stole from, rather he enjoys mocking the whole thing with his nonsensical responses. I understand you can't force him to follow the "guidelines" but I don't understand why he is not banned (along with his ip because a troll like this would re-register with a new name in no time). I also don't understand why this thread is not locked or deleted. I will make this as plain as possible. BL downloaded mods by other people, he compressed the mp3 files, he then lightly edited *some* of those mods (many are straight copy jobs), and added some of his own work. He then zipped his file directories including the mod files and stock files and he now posts them as his own. He basically danced around the subject and admitted what he did early on, but then had enough sense to eventually evade and pretend ignorance. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore, I have pointed out specific mods he has stolen from me and others. If he wants to say this is just an archive of historic broadcasts for history buffs, fine, then remove the stolen event.inis. |
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06-27-07, 10:51 AM
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Chief
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well said ted.....
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06-27-07, 12:03 PM
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Admiral
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Yes it does seem that the OP is kicking sand in the face of the original owners.
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06-27-07, 12:52 PM
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The Old Man
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...I am surprised at the lack of negative response to this guys...HACK UP... of other peoples work. After reading all his posts he is rather nonchalant about the whole thing. Shut him down. Please. You guys have been more than patient and instructive about the correct process.
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