Dudley W. (Mush) Morton

[Mush Martin]

The art of debate is to get both sides arguing the facts down to the lowest common denominator.

Good debators dont have their minds made up before hand they just take
a side and argue like its there own.

what they make their own is the result.

the boiled down chewed over and torture tested bottom line.

and an adaptive evolving mind takes that up.

I want to thank all who have or do participate I have
enjoyed it a lot.

(no that doesnt mean wishy washy it means adapt and overcome)
Semper fi.
MM

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

What i meant was, that this topic (or arguably any topic), about Dudley Morton - a center point of contraversy, is going to create waves, or ripples in the pond.

[JSF]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I did not misunderstand your intent.

When this thread started it was clear that someone would think "Graaaah, Mush Morton!!!!! " and would bring up the war crimes again. But like I said, that is off-topic and had been discussed several time already. Now this thread turns away from the original topic and we´ll soon have yet another thread about war crimes, something the original thread was not about.

You sir are correct......Like you, when I saw the title I knew this was going to turn into another Mush bashing party by all the self appointed social elitist.

[Subnuts]

If all those soldiers Mush killed in the water came back from the dead as zombies, would he still be credited with killing them?

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[JSF]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

If all those soldiers Mush killed in the water came back from the dead as zombies, would he still be credited with killing them?

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LMAOOOOOO....:rotfl:

[NEON DEON]

War crimes aside, you have to have some basis to rate accomplishments.

If you want to throw out a qualification then it should be SUNK.

It does not present to be finite yet gives the perception that it is. Sunk should be changed to damaged status.

Just replace permanently sunk vessels with destroyed. Then we can argue about how much damage, how long did the damage take to fix, if the boat was damaged just before a big operation how much significane did its loss hold, and yada yada yada.

So Mush,

Make your own criteria and send it to the Navy.

Who knows. Maybe they will scrap theirs in favor of yours.

[Mush Martin]

somehow as I said earlier I find it doubtful that the issue will ever
be revisited. as I said I just wanted to voice my own dissatisfaction
at the call.

as for the war crimes ..................

Gentlemen of all the people in all the world who have ever passed
ponder or comment on this issue. I have this to say. Somehow of
all the people who were ever aware of this issue, I believe that
the Japanese soldiers in the water themselves understood what
mush was doing. moreso than anybody since id bet and further
I believe that they wouldnt themselves have percieved it as a crime
but as a way of bringing them honour.

Just my opinion.

Im done now.
MM

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

If all those soldiers Mush killed in the water came back from the dead as zombies, would he still be credited with killing them?

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That's not OT Subnuts ... that's OF (Off Forum) ...

You know good and well that killing zombies is an entirely different game ...

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

If all those soldiers Mush killed in the water came back from the dead as zombies, would he still be credited with killing them?

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I answer that with a question:

Can you hear a Midshipman sh*t on the poop deck?

Edit: I just got a new sig, thanks Subnuts you friggin comedian.

[Drokkon]

Shouldn't they be called sailors? If they are soldiers then they are just smelly cargo.:rotfl: I spent 4 years in the amphib navy.

I have to say sunk is complety taken out of action for good. You can't change the meaning after the fact. If you do you are doing these men a great disservice and padding the books for them.

It's odd that the one gentleman used the numbers from german pilots. I think it would have been better to use the numbers from the japanese destroyer captains on sub sinkings. According to them we must have had as many subs in PTO as the germans did in the atlantic.