Last nights speech by President Bush. What do you think?

[Konovalov]

Guys, This thread was specifically about the recent speech by President George W Bush on te situation in Iraq and the US changes in strategy. It was not about religion. Religion has been done to death on this forum. Start a new thread if you like but don't hijack mine. Thanks.

[Gizzmoe]

I´ve moved some of the posts to a new thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103716

[baggygreen]

SO people, what do we all think about the newest nes headlines at subsim.com?

Media speculation?

Leaked information?

Deliberate information?

my bet is for #3, that they're laying the building blocks for an attack, and by christ i hope so. Not because im a warmonger, but because i believe it honestly needs doing

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

SO people, what do we all think about the newest nes headlines at subsim.com?

Media speculation?

Leaked information?

Deliberate information?

my bet is for #3, that they're laying the building blocks for an attack, and by christ i hope so. Not because im a warmonger, but because i believe it honestly needs doing

Do you mean a US strike by the United States upon Iran in April as mentioned in that news article?

If so then I doubt it. It may have been put out there by the US as a signal just as the Patriot missile battery deployments were IMO.

Yesterday Stephen Hadley was interviewed by Tim Russert on NBC Meet the Press. Russert asked Hadley "He raised eyebrows when he talked about Iran and Syria in his speech on Wednesday night, sending carrier groups, Patriot missiles, positioning supplies, weapons, ships into the area near Iran. Are we preparing for a potential military conflict with Iran?"

Hadley replied "No. The president has said very clearly that the issues we do—we have with Iran should be solved diplomatically in terms of the nuclear issue. He did say that Iranians are active in Iraq, supporting people who are putting our American troops and Iraqis at risk. He said very clearly we are going to deal with that, we’re going to disrupt those operations.

But that’s why I tried to say earlier, Tim, there’s a broad struggle going on in the Middle East between the forces of freedom and democracy, the forces of terror and tyranny, and Iran is behind a lot of that. They’re behind Hezbollah. They’re about—behind Hamas. And the region is looking and watching and asking the question whether the United States is going to stay engaged in that region and be an ally of those countries who want to resist an effort by Iran to basically establish hegemony over in that region, and that’s why the president is taking those steps."

Full story here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

[AJ!]

Well at this point its become far too obvious that america cant just "pull out".

Its already been confirmed by military officials that Al qaeda is regaining power and becoming more oppressive to coalision forces by the day...... of course theres also countless other factions and countrys against the US now.

America is far too intrenched in the war in the east and currently has the future of the middle east in its hands.

I feel they had no choice but to commit more troops to the fight. With the growing terrorist groups spreading all over the world, and of course new cells in africa, a new and more brutal approch is needed

If America were to pull out now then we would see attacks in the west so horrific, people would forget the 9/11 incident......

Dont forget we are no longer in a cold war era where two super powers only use weapons of mass destruction as deterants ... The Soviet union was just as scared as the west by nuclear weapons and would do anything to avoid using them knowing full well about M.A.D......... but america is now making enemies who arnt affraid to use biological and nuclear weapons and are more contempt with killing themselves in order to destroy america

[bradclark1]

America is far too intrenched in the war in the east and currently has the future of the middle east in its hands.

I'd say Iran and Saudi Arabia has the future in it's hands. All we've done is open it up for them.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by AJ!

If America were to pull out now then we would see attacks in the west so horrific, people would forget the 9/11 incident......

I believe this to be very true. The west's politicians, military and national defense agencies still do not understand what they're up against. Iraq is indeed a distraction, drawing terrorists like flies to feces. But the inadvertant distraction won't last forever.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I believe this to be very true. The west's politicians, military and national defense agencies still do not understand what they're up against. Iraq is indeed a distraction, drawing terrorists like flies to feces. But the inadvertant distraction won't last forever.

For example. And anyone of us here can think of other similar "creative" plots.

[AJ!]

Indeed the current middle east theatre is just a distraction... Problem is Bush feels by sending more troops over he will be able to quell a war that is no longer limited to that theatre.

America is still using a tactic of "cut off the head and the body will die" against the terrorist cells which just doesnt seem to work. The groups regenerate quicker then the americans can neutralize them and theres always a new head to replace the old.

And with every casualty the terrorists take they become more determined to win

The war is easily turning into another vietnam. the most advanced technology and sheer force is still brought to a halt by an enemy who can use his home turf and gurrila tactics to their advantage..... i mean what good is a multimillion dollar gunship against a enemy that conseals themselves in the civilian population

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by AJ!

Indeed the current middle east theatre is just a distraction... Problem is Bush feels by sending more troops over he will be able to quell a war that is no longer limited to that theatre.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one AJ ... The middle east theater is just that a theater and by being there we are a threat to their threats from Bin Laden's number two man (I can't spell worth a darn) that keeps sending messages that are months old. Bush is sending more troops, because Secretary Rumsfield didn't when he was asked to by his own comanders. Our troops have been playing hide and seek. A very dangerous game ... with more troops we can knock on more doors with good ole M-16's.

Originally Posted by AJ!

America is still using a tactic of "cut off the head and the body will die" against the terrorist cells which just doesnt seem to work. The groups regenerate quicker then the americans can neutralize them and theres always a new head to replace the old.

We are fighting terrorist cells that are being supplied money and arms from Iran which spells sh**te protected by sh**te forces within Iraq (the president himself is a sh**te). We haven't been able to neutralize anything due to, I say inside information being leaked to where we are going to neutralize. The enemy probably lives in the rural areas and come to Dodge just to make trouble, although I have no proof of this.

Originally Posted by AJ!

And with every casualty the terrorists take they become more determined to win The war is easily turning into another vietnam. the most advanced technology and sheer force is still brought to a halt by an enemy who can use his home turf and gurrila tactics to their advantage..... i mean what good is a multimillion dollar gunship against a enemy that conseals themselves in the civilian population

This is not Vietnam, they were backed by Russia and China and were a tougher fightning force than any modern day muslim has even thought about being.

The civilian population you speak of is ripe for this conflict to be over ... Offer them the same $25,000 for staying alive instead of dying in a lost cause car bomb explosion. Give them the reward for information and see how many bad guys get caught by their own mommies ... I know, I know Army intelligence has already tried this, but try harder.

[AJ!]

You make some good points geetrue.

I guess from the looks of things Iraq is about to loose the support from Iran if america and jerusalem have their way, and fair play to both of em for planning such attacks.

From what Iran has claimed it will do, i think the sooner their bombed down a few pegs the better.

[Ducimus]

Bush's speech, what i think summerized in cartoon form:
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If what this article says is true, im not very optimistic..

Promises, Promises
What happens if the Iraqis fail again?
http://www.slate.com/id/2157391/

[baggygreen]

Well, depends on how you mean by optimistic i suppose. In a lot of ways, I think that it is about time Iran learnt a nice lesson. My wallet doesnt like this idea, because the price of crude will skyrocket straight away, but i do think its time certain nations learn what is and isnt acceptable.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

In a lot of ways, I think that it is about time Iran learnt a nice lesson.

If you mean a military action, where are all these extra troops going to come from? It's not like we have a limitless manpower pool to draw from. It's pretty telling when part of that 20K extra troops are created by extending indefinatly / involnuntarily extending peoples tours.


Somewhere in this thread i saw a remark that Iraq isn't another vietnam. *shrug* I dont know really, but i found this an interesting read on that comparision:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6245851.stm

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

Well, depends on how you mean by optimistic i suppose. In a lot of ways, I think that it is about time Iran learnt a nice lesson. My wallet doesnt like this idea, because the price of crude will skyrocket straight away, but i do think its time certain nations learn what is and isnt acceptable.

First we take out the Iranian subs with the Russia support members training the Iranian crews. Then we fake a beach landing in the Indian Ocean drawing upon the poor 3rd world countries for ten thousand men. Hiring soliders of fortune you can find in any bar in the African/Indonesia area, dress them up with fake U.S. Marine uniforms, promise them full back up and support.

Send C-130's to scatter alumiumn foil along the Iran/Afgan border to fake out their Mirages and various other (useless without enough spare parts) airplanes. Mobile launcher AA waiting for them to cross the border.

Air drop a division of tech's and US Army Airborne to secure the oil fields ... After the first landing zone is considered safe ... bring in the newst chic jeans, fad clothes, Gucci bags etc. for the rebeleous students.

Negoitate the use of our own nukes for any country besides our own (like we did with UK back in the 1960's)(did you know UK can't target American on purpose) and speak peace to withdraw with all WMD's in echange for free Madonna and Sting concerts.

Price of gas comes down to $1.50 cents again, so the world can pollute itself even faster than it has already.

This is so good I might send it to the defense department ...