FSAA/Anti-aliasing/Major resolution problem (merged)

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by tedhealy

If this issue is not a bug, then all of this could have been avoided with ubi stating that while the game supports resolutions higher than 1024x768, the 3d engine will scale to that resolution. Instead it's left out there that the game supports higher resolutions without actually clarifying that it's just the 2d interface that supports higher resolutions. What else are people going to assume other than the game actually runs in higher resolutions like nearly every other game released today? I can live with the jaggies, I'm just miffed that we were given the scent that the game would be hi-res when it appears that it is not.

That doesn't make any sense though. Why have interface at higher res? Whats the point? Why would they do that? It doesn't make any sense.

[evil666]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Ever play dangerous waters? Not everyone that is a fan of these type of games play for just the graphics. But I guess everyone has different taste for different wools. :rotfl:

thanks to all the fan boys out there, who are going to buy everything in every quality. maybe thats a reason for software products getting worster, and worster. the pubs have no remorse for publishing betas and they don't care at all, why should them, they know some "sheeps" swallow everything!

[tedhealy]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

That doesn't make any sense though. Why have interface at higher res? Whats the point? Why would they do that? It doesn't make any sense.

2 reasons:

1 Making the interface support higher-res would be many times easier than making the 3d world support higher res.

2 if you are going to make the game world of 1024x768 scale to a higher res, forcing the interface to do so will make text very hard to read (or at least very ugly). Therefore you need to actually have the interface support a higher res and not just fake it by scaling it up.

[flintlock]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Not everyone that is a fan of these type of games play for just the graphics. But I guess everyone has different taste...

Fair enough and quite true.

What some people fail to grasp is while the graphics in SH4 look to be stunning, everyone would appreciate that the graphics maintain integrity on their hardware. Currently, it appears this may not be the case for those with widescreens and others running their software at contemporary resolutions. Built in native support for larger resolutions are what people are expecting. This is accomplished when developers engineer their game engine to natively support higher resolutions: not by taking an antiquated 17-year old 1024x768 4:3 XGA resolution and simply scaling it upwards. This is a quick fix and will work, but at the expense of quality, and in fact will look terrible.

I'm reserving judgement on this as I don't have the game and am convinced something must be amiss. Until I witness it for myself or read Ubisoft state otherwise, I refuse to believe they would intentionally design a 2007 "A" title in this manner.

The jury is still out.

[Reece]

Could someone with a copy of SH4 please post a picture with, and without the hollywood setting please, same view ofcourse.

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by evil666

thanks to all the fan boys out there, who are going to buy everything in every quality. maybe thats a reason for software products getting worster, and worster. the pubs have no remorse for publishing betas and they don't care at all, why should them, they know some "sheeps" swallow everything!

Fanboy? I have bought only 1 game this year. Addon to Galatic Civs. So no I don't buy just anything. Sorry.

Are you sure your not from the UBI forum? They talk like that alot. :hmm:

[evil666]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Fanboy? I have bought only 1 game this year. Addon to Galatic Civs. So no I don't buy just anything. Sorry.

Are you sure your not from the UBI forum? They talk like that alot. :hmm:

hihi. anyhow, sure not.

no one in ubi forums speaks german (ok, who knows?), if you ask me, i'll give you a taste of my native skills in my favourite language.

[OneTinSoldier]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Ever play dangerous waters? Not everyone that is a fan of these type of games play for just the graphics. But I guess everyone has different taste for different wools. :rotfl:

Yep, I own Dangerous Waters. Bought it when it first came out with the 575 page manual. Sure, the game doesn't have the greatest graphics, but at least it supports Anti-Aliasing(forced) so I don't have to look at jaggy and shimmering crap all over the place!

If I want jaggies and shimmering then I will go back to playing games that are over ten years old. When puchasing present day games, that is not acceptable to me. For the people that find that acceptable, fine. Buy SHIV and enjoy!

But more than anything, I am realizing this comes down to a feeling of trust. When seeing the screenshot of the 'Graphic Setting' interface with a pull-down menu showing multiple resolutions for 'GAME RESOLUTION', and then finding out from users that you are not actually getting that resolution but are instead getting a 'scaled up from lower res' resolution, is the point where I realize they are trying to deceive me to get my money. That not only does not sit right with me, it makes me angry!

They also said the game would use Imperial units, not the metric system.


As I said, I'm starting to realize this is coming down more to a matter of trust, and there is a point where I start drawing the line with whom I'm willing trust when it comes to spending my money. For me, they have crossed the line. If somehow I find out later on that this has all been some kind of mistake and we have not been decieved then I will apologize and they will get my money.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kruger

My Samsung has a native res of 1280x1024....so I really did not see anything weird. But....this is nasty

My 19" Samsung 931B runs at 1280x1024, too. I use the Radeon 1650 Pro. I guess either I am used to this and didn't notice, or it doesn't look that bad on my screen.

DragonRR1, which mission is that? I will take a screen and see how it looks on my system.

[nhall70]

Originally Posted by flintlock

Fair enough and quite true.

What some people fail to grasp is while the graphics in SH4 look to be stunning, everyone would appreciate that the graphics maintain integrity on their hardware. Currently, it appears this may not be the case for those with widescreens and others running their software at contemporary resolutions. Built in native support for larger resolutions are what people are expecting. This is accomplished when developers engineer their game engine to natively support higher resolutions: not by taking an antiquated 17-year old 1024x768 4:3 XGA resolution and simply scaling it upwards. This is a quick fix and will work, but at the expense of quality, and in fact will look terrible.

I'm reserving judgement on this as I don't have the game and am convinced something must be amiss. Until I witness it for myself or read Ubisoft state otherwise, I refuse to believe they would intentionally design a 2007 "A" title in this manner.

The jury is still out.

Yea, it really is hard to believe. I'm still waiting for someone to deliver the good news that this is not the case. However, I'm beginning to think that Ubisoft is capable of almost anything.

I think this may be a very cold, calculated move by Ubisoft to try and put an end to complaints about frame-rate and poor performance. Lock the game at 1024x768 and disallow FSAA...problem solved. Right?

They have been SOOOO quiet about questions regarding these issues in their recent games. They take all of us for fools. Actually, as a group we are fools, so Ubisoft will probably win. Despite this shameless behavior, they may very well sell 200,000 copies of SH4 which only teaches them to do it again.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by evil666

thanks to all the fan boys out there, who are going to buy everything in every quality. maybe thats a reason for software products getting worster, and worster. the pubs have no remorse for publishing betas and they don't care at all, why should them, they know some "sheeps" swallow everything!

Ok, don't start insulting people here. You're not going to play SH4, that's ok, go your own way.

Neal

[evil666]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ok, don't start insulting people here. You're not going to play SH4, that's ok, go your own way.

Neal

no no, please unterstand me, it is not my intention to insult someone. i mean it in a very general way.

[nhall70]

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

Yep, I own Dangerous Waters. Bought it when it first came out with the 575 page manual. Sure, the game doesn't have the greatest graphics, but at least it supports Anti-Aliasing(forced) so I don't have to look at jaggy and shimmering crap all over the place!

If I want jaggies and shimmering then I will go back to playing games that are over ten years old. When puchasing present day games, that is not acceptable to me. For the people that find that acceptable, fine. Buy SHIV and enjoy!

But more than anything, I am realizing this comes down to a feeling of trust. When seeing the screenshot of the 'Graphic Setting' interface with a pull-down menu showing multiple resolutions for 'GAME RESOLUTION', and then finding out from users that you are not actually getting that resolution, is the point where I realize they are trying to deceive me to get my money. That not only does not sit right with me, it makes me angry!

They also said the game would use Imperial units, not the metric system.


As I said, I'm starting to realize this is coming down more to a matter of trust, and there is a point where I start drawing the line with whom I'm willing trust when it comes to spending my money. For me, they have crossed the line. If somehow I find out later on that this has all been some kind of mistake and we have not been decieved then I will apologize and they will get my money.

Well said.

If this turns out to be true, they have crossed a line that no other publisher has ever crossed before. They have set a dangerous precedent in the game industry and the game industry will be worse for it.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

My 19" Samsung 931B runs at 1280x1024, too. I use the Radeon 1650 Pro. I guess either I am used to this and didn't notice, or it doesn't look that bad on my screen.

DragonRR1, which mission is that? I will take a screen and see how it looks on my system.

Also, if I am not mistaken, can't this game be played in a window, for people with gigantic montiors? Educate me, I don't know a lot about this.

[stabiz]

Yes it can, but the option is usually used by people with low end specs, since it uses less juice that way.