FSAA/Anti-aliasing/Major resolution problem (merged) - Page 24

flintlock · 03-19-07, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

Is there anything (bug) that could be preventing the game from accepting the new selected resolutions? In the bugs thread one user said his higher resolutions had to be reset every time he started the game.

I truly hope something is simply amiss here. Unfortunately, if this is working as intended, that drop-down resolution selection menu may simply be telling the engine to take this 1024x768 fixed resolution and scale it to selection X.

XanderF · 03-19-07, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

Yea... this is really odd.. when you upscale anything it gets worse looking.. .. I am going to wait till I get the game and actually see it before I start to be disappointed though.

Oh, wow, some very damning screenshots over in this thread.

So...

1) No FSAA
2) Locked at 1024x768 '3d world'

AwesomeR!!1!ONE

StandingCow · 03-19-07, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderF

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

Yea... this is really odd.. when you upscale anything it gets worse looking.. .. I am going to wait till I get the game and actually see it before I start to be disappointed though.

Oh, wow, some very damning screenshots over in this thread.

So...

1) No FSAA
2) Locked at 1024x768 '3d world'

AwesomeR!!1!ONE

Yea, thats really interesting.. the menu is changing res, but not the game world... should be really interesting to find out if this is a bug or not.

Sectus · 03-19-07, 08:59 PM

This effect isn't limited to resolutions above 1024x768.

Here's some screenshots I took while playing at 1024x768:

Notice the plane on the second screenshot and the boat in the fourth screenshot. You'll notice clearly that it's even upscaled when playing in 1024x768. Water in the horizon also gets a rather ugly shimmering effect because of this.

I think this is actually a feature of the game. Hellgate: London obviously uses the same effect for most of its screenshots, and if I remember correctly Deus Ex 2 and some other games used the same effect. It's an attempt to smoothen the graphics and hide jaggies. But unfortunately it also removes a ton of detail from the scene and adds ugly shimmering.

I really really realy hope Ubi will add a patch which makes this toggleable (the game needs a patch for other reasons as well, the game is quite buggy).

All in all though, I think some people here are over-reacting. Sure, it's an ugly effect and it would better if it weren't here... but the game still looks ton better than SH3 and the gameplay itself seems much more fun than SH3. I don't regret my purchase of the game, I'm hoping this graphical effect will be togglable in a future patch but I can live with it anyway.

jeff lackey · 03-19-07, 09:00 PM

Well, when I take a screenshot and look at it in ACDSee or Photoshop, the info is that it is 1024x768, even when I've "set" the resolution higher.

Also, when I set the resolution higher in the options, then restart the game, the resolution (as well as the music setting) is always back to 1024x768, and music on. The gameplay settings are fine, and the graphic options (other than resolution) stick.

tedhealy · 03-19-07, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by malkuth74

Ok but the problem is that we all want to run it at a higher res since SHIV does not have AA. Now is the problem only going to happen to Widescreen (which funny was my original question 2 pages back) or is it going to effect all Monitors if we want a higher res?

Making an assumption (and we all know the problem with assumptions) that this is indeed the problem and they are faking higher res support, then anyone *running* the game with a significantly larger resolution than 1024x768 will notice it.

If you have a crt monitor and run the game at 1024x768, the monitor will actually draw 1024x768 and you may not notice things so much.

If you have that same CRT and run at 1900x1200, you will notice it.

What hampers LCD now is that even if we run the game at 1024x768, the monitor will upscale to the native resolution of the monitor which will be much higher than 1024x768. So things won't look so good. Many monitors have an option at 1:1 scale to disable that upscaling, but then you are stuck playing the game in a little tiny box on a huge monitor.

evil666 · 03-19-07, 09:04 PM

@Sectus

what kind and type of monitor do you use?

malkuth74 · 03-19-07, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff lackey

Well, when I take a screenshot and look at it in ACDSee or Photoshop, the info is that it is 1024x768, even when I've "set" the resolution higher.

Also, when I set the resolution higher in the options, then restart the game, the resolution (as well as the music setting) is always back to 1024x768, and music on. The gameplay settings are fine, and the graphic options (other than resolution) stick.

Hey jeff change it in the Cfg and see if it sticks. Maybe if this is true its just another crappy bug, and its not sticking in the CFG file.

Snakeeyes · 03-19-07, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

http://www.demowarp.se/video/sh4.wmv

That video is from the sticky above. You can see the lack of AA in the entire thing.

Man 'O man.... did you see the deckgun?!!! AWFUL! LOOKS LIKE ITS MADE OUT OF LEGGOS!

Even the characters are blocky! I thought we were out of the Atari age!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted SILENT HUNTER IV NOT FREAKIN' PONG!

StandingCow · 03-19-07, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandingCow

http://www.demowarp.se/video/sh4.wmv

That video is from the sticky above. You can see the lack of AA in the entire thing.

Man 'O man.... did you see the deckgun?!!! AWFUL! LOOKS LIKE ITS MADE OUT OF LEGGOS!

Even the characters are blocky! I thought we were out of the Atari age!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted SILENT HUNTER IV NOT FREAKIN' PONG!

Yea, I agree... but on the flip side, as long as the gameplay is good, I don't care about graphics all that much, hell, silent hunter was fun on nintendo.

But my issue is them stating otherwise... saying the screen shots posted were not touched up, the entire resolution thing... but those could just be bugs.

Meh, guess I will find out when I get it.

cappy70 · 03-19-07, 09:23 PM

Wooow,,what reactions over some screenshots and 85% doesn't have the game yet and everybody expect the same reactions/effects to their own hardware no matter what config. compared to whatever hardware produced the screenshots..........WOW,,and then everything get hanged up on AA, that is really connected to what-graphic-card-do-I-have.

I know that a lot of people jump out of the boat if the slightest /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ is visible and it's not --------------------------.

I have friends that react the same about the their home-sound systems if a DVD movie doesnt's sound as good as the latest movie they watched.

OneTinSoldier · 03-19-07, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cappy70

Wooow,,what reactions over some screenshots and 85% doesn't have the game yet and everybody expect the same reactions/effects to their own hardware no matter what config. compared to whatever hardware produced the screenshots..........WOW,,and then everything get hanged up on AA, that is really connected to what-graphic-card-do-I-have.

I know that a lot of people jump out of the boat if the slightest /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ is visible and it's not --------------------------.

I have friends that react the same about the their home-sound systems if a DVD movie doesnt's sound as good as the latest movie they watched.

Yeah, I guess we should all just hand over our money to Ubi like sheep, no matter what kind of wool they're trying to pull over our eyes.

malkuth74 · 03-19-07, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

Quote:

Originally Posted by cappy70

Wooow,,what reactions over some screenshots and 85% doesn't have the game yet and everybody expect the same reactions/effects to their own hardware no matter what config. compared to whatever hardware produced the screenshots..........WOW,,and then everything get hanged up on AA, that is really connected to what-graphic-card-do-I-have.

I know that a lot of people jump out of the boat if the slightest /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ is visible and it's not --------------------------.

I have friends that react the same about the their home-sound systems if a DVD movie doesnt's sound as good as the latest movie they watched.

Yeah, I guess we should all just hand over our money to Ubi like sheep, no matter what kind of wool they're trying to pull over our eyes.

Ever play dangerous waters? Not everyone that is a fan of these type of games play for just the graphics. But I guess everyone has different taste for different wools. :rotfl:

Fer32 · 03-19-07, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

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Originally Posted by gronbek

I can confirm this also.
The 3d game is fixed at max 1024X768.
Buying SH4 must be my worst gaming experience ever. Bye bye SH4

No doubt a fix for this will come out. But seriously are some of you going to dump SHIV because of resolution issues? Then go back to your desk duty! I dont care much whether zagged edges are all over my boat, tis really about the gameplay.

SHIV is v1.0 or might even be v0.09 so dont be quick to uninstall the game, wait and have faith in the dev's or modders.

Just what I was going to say, some people just read the bad news and inmediately cancel orders! How many of you would have to order it again because of this bug that I am sure will be fixed very soon. Do we have a lot of Sub sims to choose?, so take it easy and play a game that has much more gameplay to offer that just jaggies.

tedhealy · 03-19-07, 09:42 PM

If this issue is not a bug, then all of this could have been avoided with ubi stating that while the game supports resolutions higher than 1024x768, the 3d engine will scale to that resolution. Instead it's left out there that the game supports higher resolutions without actually clarifying that it's just the 2d interface that supports higher resolutions. What else are people going to assume other than the game actually runs in higher resolutions like nearly every other game released today? I can live with the jaggies, I'm just miffed that we were given the scent that the game would be hi-res when it appears that it is not.

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03-19-07, 08:59 PM	#349
Sectus Nub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This effect isn't limited to resolutions above 1024x768. Here's some screenshots I took while playing at 1024x768: Notice the plane on the second screenshot and the boat in the fourth screenshot. You'll notice clearly that it's even upscaled when playing in 1024x768. Water in the horizon also gets a rather ugly shimmering effect because of this. I think this is actually a feature of the game. Hellgate: London obviously uses the same effect for most of its screenshots, and if I remember correctly Deus Ex 2 and some other games used the same effect. It's an attempt to smoothen the graphics and hide jaggies. But unfortunately it also removes a ton of detail from the scene and adds ugly shimmering. I really really realy hope Ubi will add a patch which makes this toggleable (the game needs a patch for other reasons as well, the game is quite buggy). All in all though, I think some people here are over-reacting. Sure, it's an ugly effect and it would better if it weren't here... but the game still looks ton better than SH3 and the gameplay itself seems much more fun than SH3. I don't regret my purchase of the game, I'm hoping this graphical effect will be togglable in a future patch but I can live with it anyway.

03-19-07, 09:00 PM	#350
jeff lackey A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 78 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well, when I take a screenshot and look at it in ACDSee or Photoshop, the info is that it is 1024x768, even when I've "set" the resolution higher. Also, when I set the resolution higher in the options, then restart the game, the resolution (as well as the music setting) is always back to 1024x768, and music on. The gameplay settings are fine, and the graphic options (other than resolution) stick.

03-19-07, 09:04 PM	#352
evil666 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 16 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	@Sectus what kind and type of monitor do you use?

03-19-07, 09:42 PM	#360
tedhealy Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 772 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	If this issue is not a bug, then all of this could have been avoided with ubi stating that while the game supports resolutions higher than 1024x768, the 3d engine will scale to that resolution. Instead it's left out there that the game supports higher resolutions without actually clarifying that it's just the 2d interface that supports higher resolutions. What else are people going to assume other than the game actually runs in higher resolutions like nearly every other game released today? I can live with the jaggies, I'm just miffed that we were given the scent that the game would be hi-res when it appears that it is not.