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Old 09-07-06, 03:58 AM   #16
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Pffft. Everyone knows battleships go down with one hit to the fuel bunker :p
True, but so far I only managed to do that on stationary battleships.
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Old 09-08-06, 06:04 AM   #17
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In his book "Japanese Destroyer Capitain", Tameichi Hara , commanding cruiser Yahagi, gives a good eyewitness report of the battle.

Overall, a good read too- if you can find it.
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Old 09-14-06, 12:34 PM   #18
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Wow!!!!! Thanks for the Link`~~~
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Old 09-14-06, 12:43 PM   #19
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Hmmm......got a chance to look at these again, other than the quick look I had before.

Interesting that the US divebombers in the movie were approaching/bombing on a horizontal plane............ , completely different than how it was done in reality.
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Old 09-14-06, 05:18 PM   #20
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Great film, thanks for post the links.Go in the historical details ,the attack was done by 350 aircrafts of the TF-38(Admiral Mitscher)the 07-04-45 , two days before the arrival date at Okinawa.In this attack were losses the Yamato, the light cruiser Yahagi and the destroyers Isokaze,Hamakaze,Kasumi and Asashimo ;the IJN loss 3665 mens this day.The Yamato had taked in the attack 9 to 13 torpedo hits and six direct hits by heavy bombs.
Survived the attack the destroyers Fuyutsuki, Suzutsuki, Hatsushimo and Yukikaze, this last, a lucky ship, was the last example of the Kagero class still afloat, all other 17 ships of the class were sunk in the war.He finnished his live as "Tang Chen" in the China Navy and was broken up in 1970.The wreck of the Yamato was finded and explored in August 1985.

At the end of the war ,only one IJN battleship was still afloat, the Nagato.Taked by the USN was utilised for the atomic test a Bikini,together with CV-3 Saratoga, Light cruiser Salt Lake City,the German Heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and many other ships considered expendables.


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Old 09-14-06, 06:09 PM   #21
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Just seeing this movie , thats just pure hell....
and what a shame of such beautifull ship...
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Old 09-14-06, 06:17 PM   #22
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Just seeing this movie , thats just pure hell....
and what a shame of such beautifull ship...
Yeah, what a shame it wasn't sunk a few years earlier in the war
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Old 09-14-06, 07:48 PM   #23
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At the end of the war ,only one IJN battleship was still afloat, the Nagato.Taked by the USN was utilised for the atomic test a Bikini,together with CV-3 Saratoga, Light cruiser Salt Lake City,the German Heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and many other ships considered expendables.
I don't remember all of the ships that were used in Operation Crossroads, but here are the capital ones. There are lists all over the internet but I am too lazy to look right now. The ones with no note survived the tests, usually to be sunk as targets later.

BTW -The Salt Lake City was a Pensacola class CA, not a CL. Don't wory, I make mistakes like that too sometimes.

Carriers:

USS Saratoga (Sunk by Baker)
USS Independence

Battleships:

IJN Nagato (Sunk by Baker)
USS Arkansas (Sunk by Baker)
USS Nevada
USS Pennsylvania
USS Nevada

Heavy Cruisers:

USS Salt Lake City
USS Pensacola
USS Prinz Eugen (The PE was actually commisioned into the US Navy as an misc. auxiliary)

Light Cruisers:

IJN Sakawa (Sunk by Able)

I don't know why the US didn't use some more captured Japanese vessels as well- I definitely would have used the carrier Katsuragi, maybe the CL Kashima and some DDs and SS's as well (at least the SS's which weren't being studied). Maybe a couple of U-Boats as well. With the US warships, I wouldn't have bothered with the New York and Arkansas - maybe some older CLs and the CV Ranger would have been better. Then again, the only CLs to be immediately discarded were the completely obsolete Omahas.

If the Yamato had survived the war though, there is no doubt in my mind she would have ended up in Bikini Atoll. I would just like to know if she would have survived the blasts.

Also, it is too bad that the wreck of the Yamato didn't survive in better condition. She is broken into three pieces, and the wreck has capsized (and has most of the hull blown open from the final magazine detonation). I have heard that the Musashi is in much better condition, but I can't find any information.

(BTW - Speaking of Crossroads and wrecks, did anyone know that the Independence was found about 15 years ago where she was sunk as a target in 1951? Now I'm OT again - someone please start a 'ships of Crossroads' thread to shut me up. I may have to do it myself tomorow.)
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Old 09-14-06, 09:28 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Danelov
At the end of the war ,only one IJN battleship was still afloat, the Nagato.Taked by the USN was utilised for the atomic test a Bikini,together with CV-3 Saratoga, Light cruiser Salt Lake City,the German Heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and many other ships considered expendables.
I don't remember all of the ships that were used in Operation Crossroads, but here are the capital ones. There are lists all over the internet but I am too lazy to look right now. The ones with no note survived the tests, usually to be sunk as targets later.

BTW -The Salt Lake City was a Pensacola class CA, not a CL. Don't wory, I make mistakes like that too sometimes.

Carriers:

USS Saratoga (Sunk by Baker)
USS Independence

Battleships:

IJN Nagato (Sunk by Baker)
USS Arkansas (Sunk by Baker)
USS Nevada
USS Pennsylvania
USS Nevada

Heavy Cruisers:

USS Salt Lake City
USS Pensacola
USS Prinz Eugen (The PE was actually commisioned into the US Navy as an misc. auxiliary)

Light Cruisers:

IJN Sakawa (Sunk by Able)

I don't know why the US didn't use some more captured Japanese vessels as well- I definitely would have used the carrier Katsuragi, maybe the CL Kashima and some DDs and SS's as well (at least the SS's which weren't being studied). Maybe a couple of U-Boats as well. With the US warships, I wouldn't have bothered with the New York and Arkansas - maybe some older CLs and the CV Ranger would have been better. Then again, the only CLs to be immediately discarded were the completely obsolete Omahas.

If the Yamato had survived the war though, there is no doubt in my mind she would have ended up in Bikini Atoll. I would just like to know if she would have survived the blasts.

Also, it is too bad that the wreck of the Yamato didn't survive in better condition. She is broken into three pieces, and the wreck has capsized (and has most of the hull blown open from the final magazine detonation). I have heard that the Musashi is in much better condition, but I can't find any information.

(BTW - Speaking of Crossroads and wrecks, did anyone know that the Independence was found about 15 years ago where she was sunk as a target in 1951? Now I'm OT again - someone please start a 'ships of Crossroads' thread to shut me up. I may have to do it myself tomorow.)
I saw this on ebay when I followed the thread about the ship identification handbook that was also listed. If you want info on the Crossroads A bomb tests, then this is your book (a little expensive, but if your into it, go for it!)

http://cgi.ebay.ca/OPERATION-CROSSRO...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 09-15-06, 09:22 AM   #25
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Excellent link John thanks...would love to see that movie in its entirity (searching the mule now)
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