On Target! (Civilian owned Assault Rifle article) from Access to Energy Newsletter - Page 2

Ducimus · 07-27-06, 05:30 PM

Personnaly i keep a dove load loaded last in the magazine so its the first in the chamber. Next one is a #2. After that is a 00.

Truthfully speaking, i dont want to kill anyone. Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is something you have to live with. My logic is this, i just want them to leave. Preferbly by intimidation.

- First persuader is the acutal sound of the round chambered. Thats an attention grabber.

- The instant he see's me with it pointing at him, i hope he runs. But i sure as hell wont be waiting around to see what he does.

- Birdshot is the first round he gets. If he isnt leaving on his own by then, the next round says he's leaving in a body bag.

Although knowing myself, i think id probably immediatly reload and shoot again regardless of what he does, so its probaby a moot point.

SUBMAN1 · 07-27-06, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Personnaly i keep a dove load loaded last in the magazine so its the first in the chamber. Next one is a #2. After that is a 00.

Truthfully speaking, i dont want to kill anyone. Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is something you have to live with. My logic is this, i just want them to leave. Preferbly by intimidation.

- First persuader is the acutal sound of the round chambered. Thats an attention grabber.

- The instant he see's me with it pointing at him, i hope he runs. But i sure as hell wont be waiting around to see what he does.

- Birdshot is the first round he gets. If he isnt leaving on his own by then, the next round says he's leaving in a body bag.

Although knowing myself, i think id probably immediatly reload and shoot again regardless of what he does, so its probaby a moot point.

If you pulled the trigger the first time, sadly, you probably had a reason to do so. Just keep buck #1 in there so you don't kill the neighbors too with that 00 when you have to pull that trigger.

-S

Ducimus · 07-27-06, 06:15 PM

In todays sue happy legislative society, just becuase he's in my house doesnt give me free license to drop his ass. It should, i think it does, but im sure some fancy lawyer somewhere can null that. I think it all boils down to immediate threat. Was he an immediate threat? Did you feel your life was in danger?

Little hard to argue that when your shot is in his back if he turns to run.

One of those "what if" situations ive thought of once. Truthfully, i think id just unload the damn shotgun and worry about it later. Better alive and on manslaugther later on then dead with an undefended family.

07-27-06, 06:43 PM

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Better alive and on manslaugther later on then dead

Ducimus,

Think we are in agreement on this one. It's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Here in Colorado, we have what is euphamistically termed the 'Make my day Law'.
If an individual enters your home/dwelling uninvited (not a detached building), that is the first act. A second act must be present, if the home owner feels he/she or another person within the home is in physical danger or, any other crime is commited the right to use deadly physical force is authorized. At this point, by law, the home owner is subject to neither criminal nor civil litigation.

The law has been exercised on occasion and it protects law abiding citizens within their homes.

Like you, if someone breaks into my home, I'm not going to spend any time asking questions.

Yahoshua · 07-27-06, 09:20 PM

Good article on the "kill'factor" of different shot size.

And I've also checked it out at "The Box O' Truth."

I concede. Birdshot isn't effective enough at close range.

But one other thing that will help you in court (if some trial lawyer wants in you in jail for some reason). Is to not use ammunition percieved as "cruel" or "inhumane" by the public. So no hollowpoints, no slugs, and (too bad for me) no rock salt. I guess birdshot would fall within that category too.

SUBMAN1 · 07-27-06, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Good article on the "kill'factor" of different shot size.

And I've also checked it out at "The Box O' Truth."

I concede. Birdshot isn't effective enough at close range.

But one other thing that will help you in court (if some trial lawyer wants in you in jail for some reason). Is to not use ammunition percieved as "cruel" or "inhumane" by the public. So no hollowpoints, no slugs, and (too bad for me) no rock salt. I guess birdshot would fall within that category too.

I only use hollowpoint. It stay loaded at all times. The point is to stop an attack, not to just wound em! ANyway, as said above, better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by 6. I hope I live out the rest of my life never having to pull a trigger in defense.

-S

Yahoshua · 07-27-06, 09:30 PM

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SUBMAN1 · 07-27-06, 10:56 PM

Man, you guys in the UK have been pulling my leg! They sell this stuff on your TV!

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/...929/Ak-47_Sale

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Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Good article on the "kill'factor" of different shot size. And I've also checked it out at "The Box O' Truth." I concede. Birdshot isn't effective enough at close range. But one other thing that will help you in court (if some trial lawyer wants in you in jail for some reason). Is to not use ammunition percieved as "cruel" or "inhumane" by the public. So no hollowpoints, no slugs, and (too bad for me) no rock salt. I guess birdshot would fall within that category too. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

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07-27-06, 05:30 PM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Personnaly i keep a dove load loaded last in the magazine so its the first in the chamber. Next one is a #2. After that is a 00. Truthfully speaking, i dont want to kill anyone. Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is something you have to live with. My logic is this, i just want them to leave. Preferbly by intimidation. - First persuader is the acutal sound of the round chambered. Thats an attention grabber. - The instant he see's me with it pointing at him, i hope he runs. But i sure as hell wont be waiting around to see what he does. - Birdshot is the first round he gets. If he isnt leaving on his own by then, the next round says he's leaving in a body bag. Although knowing myself, i think id probably immediatly reload and shoot again regardless of what he does, so its probaby a moot point.

07-27-06, 06:15 PM	#18
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	In todays sue happy legislative society, just becuase he's in my house doesnt give me free license to drop his ass. It should, i think it does, but im sure some fancy lawyer somewhere can null that. I think it all boils down to immediate threat. Was he an immediate threat? Did you feel your life was in danger? Little hard to argue that when your shot is in his back if he turns to run. One of those "what if" situations ive thought of once. Truthfully, i think id just unload the damn shotgun and worry about it later. Better alive and on manslaugther later on then dead with an undefended family.