Not one for the sonar girls :p

[Squeezmo]

The Tullibee's shaft broke due to a rear end misalignment combined with a machinsts error. The original shaft machinist went too deep on a cut between two sleeves (into the shaft metal, which is why it broke where it did)... and while in Rota the Charleston shipyard tiger team actually moved the front and back shaft holes by several inches apiece (weeks of welding, plating, and boring). After a cursory JAG investigation during which I was told it was my word vs the captain's... The skipper lied to the JAG and then in front of the crew at quarters on the work barge in Rota (it ain't slander unless it's false) about no one telling him (even though we had wrenches and air masks hanging from pipes back in shaft alley for 3 weeks before the break; AND I PERSONALLY TOLD THE Captain AND SHOWED HIM our evidence of the break)... and we eyewitnesses got told to shaddup or go to Leavenworth. NIS tortured me over this for 4 hours in a hothouse on the Goose Creek Weapons Station and forced me to sign a false (DICTATED) confession which has made my life hell to date. Come get me you Jerkoffs! I'm old enough to no longer care. Btw, the lying skipper kept his job until he later beached us at Daytona while arguing right of way issues with a sailboat over a megaphone). I got accused of calling the Boston Globe about the incident (the quoted news story in this thread), but it wasn't me... I was on watch in drydock during pumpdown when the Globe reporter was called from Rota).

[Squeezmo]

M-Div determined the shaft was breaking 3 weeks before it broke. The Captain was a real hard charger and didn't want to hear our message. So we studied prints, determined our flooding line of death and expected flooding rates so we'd know how long we had. We.... the cut all lockwire and removed the locking devices from the backup shaft seals and had duct tape wound around the last two blocks holding the emergency packing from compression so all we had to do was hit the tape and the blocks were gone. We had EAB masks modified to deliver constant pressure for working underwater and ratchet wrenches with the sockets super-glued on. The masks and wrenches joined the bands of tape as standing out hanging from the overhead at the back end of the ship. For 3 weeks, duty officers toured this area... they carried our message to the captain and were told to knock it off. During Field Day in Naples,the skip visited me while I was cleaning in the dogshack. He was in his whites (ice cream man uniform). he asked me about our evidence and I showed it to him. He later told JAG (who told me that my story was at variance with the captain's and that my word would lose) that no one warned him the shaft was breaking. I know this to be a lie and will gladly take any lie detector tests anytime.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Great Details, Mate


So, pardon the ignorance, but if the shaft seal breaks, why wouldnt the sudden breach in the hull cause explosive decompression at depth?

[Oberon]

Not if you feed them regularly...

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

So, pardon the ignorance, but if the shaft seal breaks, why wouldnt the sudden breach in the hull cause explosive decompression at depth?

It would be compression, not decompression, and would be totally dependant upon depth and size of the opening. A minor leak below the waterline on the surface would be a major event at test depth.

As you know, air is compressible. Assuming there is nowhere for the air in the engine room to go, flooding may be controlled when internal air pressure equals sea pressure at the given depth. "IF" people can survive at such pressure, damage control can continue. Yes, this is considered an extreme measure, not a first option.

If I've read correctly, the Tullibee's shaft broke just a hair outside the pressure hull, but close enough to leak sand back into the boat. In which case there would be time for the damage control crews to work their magic at all but extreme depth.

I'm pretty sure I have a couple of pics of "Building 597", she was pretty much welded to the pier by the time I was in Groton. She was one tough luck boat.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

In Tullibee's case, it was a combination of corrosion and metal fatigue.

Ok. Thanks for the info. Should I take it that this should not have happened? Can you confirm if there was a review or alteration of maintenance/service procedures after this incident?

[Bill Nichols]

The rest of the story:

"Near Catastrophic" incident on sub probed
Mon, August 14, 1978
The Lowell Sun
Boston (AP) The Navy is investigating events that led to the breaking of a propeller shaft of a nuclear sub while she was submerged, including allegations by the crew that they would be hesitant to ever serve under the skipper again, according to a report in a Boston newspaper.
The submarine Tullibee broke its single propeller shaft June 16 while submerged in the Mediterranean Sea. The engine room flooded and some crew members said they were lucky they made it out alive. The sub is now in drydock in Rota, Spain, for repairs.
The Navy, which termed the incident "near catastrophic," is investigating reports that crewmen told the captain, Cmdr. Charles Arnest, that the shaft was cracking in seven days before it broke, according to the report. Cmdr. Arnest did nothing about the crew's warnings and omitted any reference to the warnings in his report about the incident, according to allegations by some crewmen reported by the newspaper.
Crewmembers contacted by the newspaper said the breaking shaft was the latest in a series of alleged incidents they say make them hesitant to ever serve under Arnest again.
THE NAVY, in a two-page statement, disputes the various incidents but says the shaft breaking and the unheeded warnings are being investigated by the Navy Judge Advocate General.
According to the crew members interviewed by the newspaper, the engine room crew noticed sand leaking from the shaft's bearing on June 8, shortly after the Tullibee left Naples, Italy. The shaft is a hollow tube filled with sand, which gives it stability. The engine room crew assumed the shaft had cracked inside a bearing because sand was leaking through the bearing and piling up in the bilge.
The crewmen showed the sand to the captain, who said it wasn't coming from the shaft. "His exact words were, 'No, no, that's just sand from the Naples harbor,' " one crewman said.
The crew said the captain came under immense pressure once the shaft broke on June 16 and the engine room flooded. The sub couldn't surface immediately because destroyers were manuvering overhead. Arnest ordered the ships away but had to wait a few minutes. The engine room flooded and the stern dropped about 15 degrees. However, the crew said Arnest kept "a very cool head."

Read another article here:

"Danger and Dissent on U.S. Sub"
http://www.geocities.com/weatherman5...es/danger.html

[DangerousDaze]

Wow, that's not pleasant at all. I would hazzard a guess that if that shaft broke at or beyond the shaft seal they probably wouldn't have survived. As it was it sounds (from the attached article) that it broke just an inch away. Some would call that a lucky break.

Nick

[Bill Nichols]

Originally Posted by DangerousDaze

Wow, that's not pleasant at all. I would hazzard a guess that if that shaft broke at or beyond the shaft seal they probably wouldn't have survived. As it was it sounds (from the attached article) that it broke just an inch away. Some would call that a lucky break.

Nick

Ouch!

[caspofungin]

so what ended up happening to the captain?