Should Iran Be Allowed To Enrich Uranium? ...POLL...

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Could you live with limiting your target list to target # e?

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

Heck, I'll do better than that. But since you quoted me, you'll have to edit your post, as well.

[Happy Times]

What if i said that if Iran gets nukes and gets attacked it should wipe out Bethlehem, Nazareth, Vatican City, Santiago de Compostela, Santo Toribio de Liébana, Caravaca de la Cruz, Assisi, Echmiadzin, Mount Athos, Kiev, Sergiyev Posad, Mtskheta, Canterbury, Wittenberg and Geneva. Would that disturbe the Christian members?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I think maybe we should give up on the non-profil goal and issue every nation 10 nukes plus delivery systems. That way, everyone is equal.

Mutually Assured Destruction for the win!

Originally Posted by U-552Erich-Topp

It's up to Iran. It's their country..........

Ordinarly i follow the same line of thought myself. (you mind your buisness, ill mind mine kind of thing) But i think the reality of the world is quite different. Iran is a country of hatred. People there are born and raised to hate the western world (espeially the US), its a nation where their leader promotes genocide. If you ignore this country, and allow it to become a nuclear power, innocent civillians will die, possibly by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. If left to do its own thing, it would only a matter of time before it occured, becoming a nuclear powderkeg waiting to explode. They simply can't be trusted.

While butting ones nose into another's buisness isnt exactly an applaudable act (diplomatic or otherwise), whats the alternative in this case given Irans fervor?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

What if i said that if Iran gets nukes and gets attacked it should wipe out Bethlehem, Nazareth, Vatican City, Santiago de Compostela, Santo Toribio de Liébana, Caravaca de la Cruz, Assisi, Echmiadzin, Mount Athos, Kiev, Sergiyev Posad, Mtskheta, Canterbury, Wittenberg and Geneva. Would that disturbe the Christian members?

Is it bad that someone as smart as me reconizes only 9 out of those 15 places? :hmm: (I reconized just about every other place mentioned in this thread...)

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Is it bad that someone as smart as me reconizes only 9 out of those 15 places? :hmm: (I reconized just about every other place mentioned in this thread...)

LOL, i guess not. I just counted and i would have also gotten 9 if asked. I did a google on christian holy places

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

What if i said that if Iran gets nukes and gets attacked it should wipe out Bethlehem, Nazareth, Vatican City, Santiago de Compostela, Santo Toribio de Liébana, Caravaca de la Cruz, Assisi, Echmiadzin, Mount Athos, Kiev, Sergiyev Posad, Mtskheta, Canterbury, Wittenberg and Geneva. Would that disturbe the Christian members?

Would anyone in Canterbury notice?
Short of blowing massive holes in Iran, there's no way of stopping their nuke program, they're determined to make nukes and we're determined they shouldn't.
Somethings gotta give, and methinks it'll be Tehrans nuclear ideas.

[sonar732]

I don't like the thought of Iran having a nuc program just as much as the other person...however, if a coalition of countries monitored them...NOT the IAEA...countries with some weight that could stop anything illegal instead of "threatening" a security council vote.

[August]

Originally Posted by sonar732

I don't like the thought of Iran having a nuc program just as much as the other person...however, if a coalition of countries monitored them...NOT the IAEA...countries with some weight that could stop anything illegal instead of "threatening" a security council vote.

How would these weighty countries monitor Irans nuclear program?

[retired1212]

(((((((YES))))))))

Nukes for everybody, or for nobody

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Is it bad that someone as smart as me reconizes only 9 out of those 15 places? :hmm: (I reconized just about every other place mentioned in this thread...)

You're not bad at all, because without Googling I knew only 10 out of the 15 places.
I missed Jerusalem in the list though.

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Chernobyl was a primitive plant, built on a rush with structural failures on the project, below the high ethical standards of the Soviet Union, supervised by a political agent who was not an expert in nuclear energy, and to say the least, wasn't the brightest of the Soviet agents.

Oh my... Please, don't speak about the things you TOTALLY misunderstand, ok?

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

We need a nuclear arsenal to fire on Asteroids in the event of an emergency

:rotfl: Too much Hollywood. Movies are not the best source of political views ant tech info.

Anyway, it's extremely dangerous to give a nuke into the hans of people who clearly promise to doom any nation.
But:
Any country that has Nukes now, has it as a shield, not as a sword. Any Nuke fired will be answered with many nukes. And Tehran understands it very well. Our fathers and grandfathers understood this long ago - and because of it, Cold War never became a Hot one. There can no be winners in full-scale nuclear war.
So, when other leader declare Iran as a part of Axis of Evil (it just the same words Ahmadinezhad used), and declares that Iran's political system must be changed with a force - Iran has the full right to defend itself. The most effective shield - is nuclear one.
Any Nukes that Iran can create now - will have very limited attack capabilities. And never be used in advance - because of reasons I wrote. But it can become a good cold shower for those hotheads who want to kindle a new war in the Middle East.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Abraham

You're not bad at all, because without Googling I knew only 10 out of the 15 places.
I missed Jerusalem in the list though.

I thought it would be strange to level something that they are after. :hmm:

[Hitman]

But it can become a good cold shower for those hotheads who want to kindle a new war in the Middle East.

I would also sleep better if I knew that noone can sell a "War on terror" for what is really a "War on oil" , but anyway since Iran has now a strategic alliance with China (Iran will fuel china with oil for the next decades) they probably don't need that "nuclear shield" anymore.

Of course I concede that if Irak had had a nuclear shield then the US would not have invaded it, with or without a UN resolution ...

[Happy Times]

Well US dont have the resources to attack Iran. Neither does NATO, Europeans are weak militarily. You probably cant take out the program by an air campaign, you would need men on the ground. Now we have Iran and North Korea openly developing these weapons. I see that UN is dead and US and NATO dont have the muscle they would like people to believe. The bubble broke with Irak, well for me it was allready in Kosovo. The only way in the future is general concription of males. And still these populous countries in the East can field bigger armies. This HiTech we dont stand casualties war, isnt going to cut it, you have to get serious. I cant see how you western males are ready to vote for some war but not ready to fight it. Especially anyone living in a republic.

[Hitman]

Well US dont have the resources to attack Iran

Emmmm.....I think that the US have the resources to start & probably win (Unlike Germany, who failed two times in the attempt) a 3rd world war all by themselves if needed. You are basically looking at the current status of the US presidential marines. But the marines are NOT the US army (Common misconception) but instead a single elite corps of the army under presidential control. Exactly that presidential control is what made them grow in peacetime to monster proportions, because the US president is way much more free to allocate the marines and set them in engagement than what he can do with the army. The real US army is today a sleeping giant, who wakes up only in important wars. I have often heard saying (Original from Napoleon) "Do not wake up China, let them sleep or the world will be shaken", but I say: Let the US Army sleep in peace...if it wakes up you will see the most terrible destruction machine ever created, backed up by the most powerful industrial nation in the world.

Believe me, the USA in a real "state of war" situation would raise in 24 hours the most terrible army the world has ever seen. A different matter is if the americans will be willing to do so, but do not think they are not capable of it :|\