UFOs: finally we can accept them as myth and hoax?

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Platapus

All I know is that I have not seen an alien space craft

Your going to have to define that statement. Pretty sure the French have a few space craft.
Being they would be classified as alien to us in the U.S.A.?
There are alien space craft!

[JU_88]

Anyway 'UFO' doesnt mean aliens, it just means 'dunno what that is'
Only time I've seen a flying saucer was one time in 80s when my mum got really angry with my older brother in the kitchen.
.....luckily it missed him though.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The surest sign of intelligent live out there is that they have not bothered to visit us.

If they're smart enough to travel here ... They are certainly smart enough to live among us ... Body snatchers, men in black can't all be Hollywood

[Von Due]

UFOs exist. I saw a white light on the night sky, I couldn't identify it. It was an object and it flew. A few minutes later I could identify it. It was an airliner.

I don't see any evidence of ETs ever having visited this planet. However, statistically, the chance of us being alone in our Galaxy, let alone the Universe, is really, really small. In all likelihood, there are lifeforms elsewhere. The probability that these possible beings have detected our radio signals is next to zero. The radio bubble is really small compared to the size of our Galaxy. Then, there is also a reasonable chance that physics won't allow interstellar travel. Sci-fi doesn't work off camera. Then again, our best theories are the best of bad ideas.

In short: No evidence of flying saucers, too little chance of anyone visiting, I'm not spending any lengthy time pondering this.

[mapuc]

There's two steps questions here.

1. Does UFO exist ? If the government/military is correct, then they do exist.

This lead to the second question

2. What are they and where are they coming from.

Even if I should believe in ufo(which I really don't) is not the same as believing in aliens.

Yes there's a connection between ufo and aliens-I just say it doesn't have to.

Markus

[Skybird]

Mapuc,


you cannot even be certain that there was acutally any object flying. Th videos from the MFDs in fighterplanes showed a blip on a radar screen. Whether these blips actually represented somethign we could call an object, or were just blips, we will not know.

And the (claimed) pilots?

Are humans. Maybe getting orders. Maybe being bought and paid. Maybe being forced. Maybe are pilots. Maybe are stage actors. We do not know. Maybe they lied, maybe they said the truth. Maybe they said something wrong which they beleived was the truth.

Some time back in the late 80s I think there was a famous Harvard psychiatrist, John Mack. For some time I believed him when he wrote a book - in honest intention, I got the impression, I give him that - about people contacting him and telling him of their traumata due to their abductions by aliens. It ruined his reputation that he took it serious, but he stuck to it. Later I think some of these "witnesses" stepped forward, admitting that they were lying and mocking him, wanting to see how far they could get with their stories. Mack died already years ago. - Well, this one taught me a lesson. It really did. The lesson is: I do not know wether these "witnesses" lied to professor Mack - or lied later on when saying that they lied to him. At one of these opportunities they obviously lied at least once. Maybe they lied even at both occasions. But they did not say the truth on both occasions, right?

In the nineties there also was a video making the rounds, showing a claimed surgical autopsy of an alien, a so-called "Grey". Some years ago the makers admitted that it was a hoax, not too badly done, but they showed the puppet, the place, and they confirmed that the sceptics were right when criticising the video as a fake for the telephone cable shown in that film - and that was not used at the time the film was claimed to be shot in. The business man, Santilli was the name I think.

Always be open minded. But also: always be sceptical. Thats the spirit of science: both of it combined. Proof can only be supplied by evidence.

There is no evidence on UFOs. At least none the public is allowed to know of. Science cannot know everything. But its leads the way a scientist must follow. He shall not allow to stray off, or to get distracted. And he must accept the lacks in his knowledge, the limits of empiry. We do not know everything, since we cannot examine everything, and our technologies base on evolving knowledge that is always temporary, never will be complete, it cannot be. Religions claim they know it all, and they also claim they must not provide evidence. But science must, else it is no science. Beyond evidence, its unknown territory. Lets accept it as that: unknown territory. We can take motivation from it, motivation to explore it. But nevertheless, its unknown territory until its explored. And no belief and no believing changes that. To me its a sign of mature adulthood to acept it as "unknown" - instead of filling the void with fairy tales from childhood and taking them as comfortable and cozy facts. Facts must be proven, not just claimed.