Britain's PM faces gay marriage revolt as plots swirl

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Do I get special rights and a tax refund for having blond hair, please? I contribute a lot of important stuff to the community and do it a great social service with my blond hair, for which I deserve some kind of privileged status and social recognition, I think.

No, but you do get special rights because you are hetrerosexual. Until those rights are extended to individuals not of the same orientation, your rights remain exclusive and therefore special. See Skybird, these people don't want to be treated special. They just want to be treated like you. What you are saying, and have been saying, is that homosexuals are not equal to you, and therefore do not deserve the same rights as you. You try and dress it up using vague language and endlessly long circular rants, but the message is the same.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, but you do get special rights because you are hetrerosexual. Until those rights are extended to individuals not of the same orientation, your rights remain exclusive and therefore special. See Skybird, these people don't want to be treated special. They just want to be treated like you. What you are saying, and have been saying, is that homosexuals are not equal to you, and therefore do not deserve the same rights as you. You try and dress it up using vague language and endlessly long circular rants, but the message is the same.

I do not get special rights like families and hetero couples. I pay more taxes, I am excluded from more forms of tax refunds. I agree to families granted special, status, because I see the importance they have - or should have - for the community. I see the social and psychological damage done where in the West these institutions of families fail - may it be due to socialist dictatorship, may it be due to dysfunctional families. That's why I accept that I have an inferior legal status on taxes and some law issues, compared to them - they are more important than singles like me are, for the society, they contribute more to the communal interest than I do.

Point is homosexual couples contribute not one bit more to comunal interest than I do. So why should they be given special status over singles like me, equalling them with the status of families? They cannot justify that. The question wether they live together or not, simply is unimportant and uninteresting for everybody else. Their homosexuality does not make them any special. Different: yes. Better, special: no.

Homosexcual couples do not contribute anythjing more to the community than singles do, or friends, or working colleagues. Being gay/lesbian, is no accomplishement of whatver a kind. Like I do not deserve specia,l recongition for having blind hair, they do not deserve special recognition for being homosexual. If I claim special rights due to my white skin coklour, I get called a racist, a white supremacist. If a gay claims spoecial riughts becasue of his genetic marks that make him gay -t at shou,.d not be anything else but sexcuall discmrination against non-gays? Hardly.

I am not making a big fuss about gays or lesbians. I never did. It just doesn't bother me, as long as they do not make a big show of their gayness. It's just that right this normality and equal treatment is not good enough - they want be treated with special treatment and call that normality, they want to stageact they are family and as if they are of the same importance for the community like families are. Special rights that Singles are not given.

Well, here is the news: gay couples living together are of zero interest and importance for the culture and social community. Or it is not more important than the question whether or not I own a dog or not. Are dog owners so important that they should be given special protective status by the state? Hardly. Two colleagues going to cinema after work? No. A pedestrian and a bus driver sharing some words at the traffic light? No. Families? ABSOLUTELY.

Several years ago, on a party given by a former colleague, a gay couple introduced itself to me, people I did not know. Fine with me, I listened. They not just introduced themselves as "eingetragene Lebenspartner", as it is called here, but immediately - and unasked - started to explain how special it is to live their gayness open and to be living in this partnership and how wonderful and special and Oh and Boah and Wowh. That was what started to piss me in no time, and so I cut them off by asking them whom of the two I should call Mr. and whom I should call Mrs. That did not make them my friends, but it made them two people who turned their backs on me immediately, snapping. Which left me as a happy man.

Normality that is just acted and practiced without thinking about it, is normality. Normality that is constantly reminded of, talked of, praised, thanked for, demanded - is no normality. It is a mess.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I do not get special rights like families and hetero couples.

Can you marry? Can they marry? If the answer to both is not 'yes', then one group's rights are special. It's as simple as that. Everything else you wrote is simply dressing trying to dance around that fact.

[Armistead]

The question is, what is marriage today, it's a civil agreement because government is involved with many laws. Numerous people marry with no religious thought. I think it does come down to constitutional rights and opens a host of other issues such as polygamy. I don't see government getting out of marriage, so I think it has to support the rights of adults to marry who they love regardless of sex.

Gay marriage isn't for me, if it isn't for you, don't do it. Whatever my morals or beliefs are, they shouldn't step on the civil rights of others.