New Gaza "flotilla" underway

[_dgn_]

Originally Posted by Skybird

... learning the German language comoares to anti-semitism, indicating he meant to link it to the same attitude that led to the holocaust.

It's disconcerting when some words are replaced by other ones in this sentence.

Try by substituting "German" by "Arab", "anti-semitism" by "anti-christianism", "holocaust" by "Great Crime" (Armenian Genocide) ...

[Kongo Otto]

In Hundred years when Islam has overrun Europe, the few Christian surviors will call people like Anders Behring Breivik a visionary resistance fighter!!

The EU States and but principally Germany should stop their appeasement politics right now!
Appeasement hasnt worked 1938 and it doesnt work with Islam!

Here in Augsburg were i live we have 41.4% Muslim Immigrants mostly of the lowest educational levels if there is any education at all and if you see the City authorities crawling in front of them and praising them it makes you want to vomit!!
But if you say or do something against them, some leftist german "we lost the war therefore we have to love and hug the whole world" aka Green Party Activists calls you a racist and tells you you have to understand them!!
Oh really have i?

You dont like it as we handle it, well feel free to leave, there are beautiful countries were you can live your islamic traditions of sharia laws, stoning etc. like Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan, Lybia or Turkey.
Ah yes well they dont have such juicy social security benefits like germany.

In Hundred years when Islam has overrun Europe, the few Christian surviors will call people like Anders Behring Breivik a visionary resistance fighter!!

Best make the most of calling him a sick crazy murdering bastard with a warped mind and a nazi ideology while we still can then.
The very same can be said for those who think he was right if you omit the word "murdering".

What is it with this forumn recently? holocaust deniers and neo nazis seem to be becoming more frequent, has there been a closedown on Stormfront?

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Best make the most of calling him a sick crazy murdering bastard with a warped mind and a nazi ideology while we still can then.
The very same can be said for those who think he was right if you omit the word "murdering".

What is it with this forumn recently? holocaust deniers and neo nazis seem to be becoming more frequent, has there been a closedown on Stormfront?

Maybe i should have marked that statement with *zynism on* and *zynism off* as you clerly didnt got it.
And btw were was the holocaust deniying in my previuos post? So stop putting words in my mouth will you?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

In Hundred years when Islam has overrun Europe.....

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

That could work.

But it is rather restrictive isn't it. Hence, I propose "Be more aggressive!".
Gives the IDF more freedom to choose which way they want to get rid of the pesky activists.
I mean, just sinking the ships would get boring after a while I imagine.

I think the fear/reality of the situation will become a fact.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

That could work.

But it is rather restrictive isn't it. Hence, I propose "Be more aggressive!".
Gives the IDF more freedom to choose which way they want to get rid of the pesky activists.
I mean, just sinking the ships would get boring after a while I imagine.

That might depend on whether it was a sinle mission or a multiplayer

[1480]

Originally Posted by JU_88

A quick but interesting read:

Why they hate. By GABRIEL

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by 1480

A quick but interesting read:

Why they hate. By GABRIEL

Do you maybe mean: Because they hate by Brigitte Gabriel?

I would higly recommend: A God who hates by Wafa Sultan and
Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

[1480]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Do you maybe mean: Because they hate by Brigitte Gabriel?

I would higly recommend: A God who hates by Wafa Sultan and
Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Danke, It's upstairs and I was lazy...

[Gorduz]

Excuse me for being ignorant, but why do Israel has the right to blockade gaza? I thought that only was allowed during wars between states...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Gorduz

Excuse me for being ignorant, but why do Israel has the right to blockade gaza? I thought that only was allowed during wars between states...

Legal conditions for establishing a blockade are regulated by some international law (in this case the law of blockade, formulated in the Declaration of London in I think 1919 or earlier), certain conditions need to be fulfilled. And the legality of the Israeli blockade has been confirmed even by the highly suspicious UN itself.

A blockade must be formally announced by a state and made known to all parties and neutrals possibly being effected by it (for example when trying to reach a harbour). It must be directed against an enemy that is in a state of war with the state establishing the blockade. Hamas confirms time and again that is sees itself at war with Israel, and it is the governing force in control of Hamaz. By that claim of theirs, Hamas helps to legalise the blockade by Israel!

Blockade runners can be legally stopped even before they enter the blockade zone. The blockade zone can reach out 12 miles from the coast, but a ship wanting to break up the blockade can be stopped even in the range of 12-24 miles, the 12 before the real blockade zone.

The use of that ammount of force needed to stop and board ships to bring them under control when running against a blockade, is legal. That means both self-defence as well as that aggressive force needed to secure control of the ship.

A blockade must be maintained against ALL attempts to breach it, making one single exception, or being unable to prevent just one single breaching, nullifies the formal legality of the whole blockade alltogether. That is what makes it an all-or-nothing-at-all game for Israel. They CAN NOT allow exceptions.

And the legality of the Israeli blockade has been confirmed even by the highly suspicious UN itself.

Terms and conditions apply. A small fact that skybird as usual ignores.

Excuse me for being ignorant, but why do Israel has the right to blockade gaza? I thought that only was allowed during wars between states...

Like the report said, Gaza has to be treated as a war between states but not be treated as a war between states as if it isn't a war between states then the legality of the blockade goes out the window and if it is a war between states then Israel is buggered on lots of other legal grounds.
It should also be noted that if in the singular example Gaza is recognised as a State to legalise the blockade it only legalises the blockade on arms which is why the naval blockade must be seperated from the land blockade as looking at the two together would make the naval blockade illegal as they ban stuff via the naval blockade that they are not allowed to do.

For an example of some Sky spin on it take....

A blockade must be maintained against ALL attempts to breach it, making one single exception, or being unable to prevent just one single breaching, nullifies the formal legality of the whole blockade alltogether.

That could be true at a stretch if the vessel was breaching the blockade carrying material that was legally banned under the naval blockade.
So if a ship was illegally carrying weapons to Gaza it might bring in questions about enforcement and effectiveness, but succesful blockade runners have existed since blockades began and getting one through doesn't magicly make a blockade illegal.

[MH]

Yes...international law is pile of crap specially at hands of people whose head is full of the same substance.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A blockade must be maintained against ALL attempts to breach it, making one single exception, or being unable to prevent just one single breaching, nullifies the formal legality of the whole blockade alltogether. That is what makes it an all-or-nothing-at-all game for Israel. They CAN NOT allow exceptions.

I don't think that is actually the case Sky....there have been many instances in history where a blockade has been breached by single ships (usually) but the 'Blockade' continues to be in effect.