Love Silent Hunter, Hate Ubisoft

[Rongel]

I didn't get sleep last night, so I figured out this:

Here's a great idea Ubisoft: make a expansion pack to SH 5 that would also serve as patch 1.3, same way that U-boat missions was made for SH 4. It would be relatively simple and wouldn't cost that much. All it has to do is offer more content and fix some of the bugs. It wouldn't need to fix the whole game or re-invent it, we have already many great mods for that. Here is a example how limited it could be:

extra content:
-add a couple new campaigns, some generic backstory and few lines of new dialogue. Call it Silent Hunter 5: Wolfpack Commander
-6 more merchant ships, one new playable submarine
-more crew animations and immersion inside the sub
-improved wolfpack action

fixes:
-weather gear not working, magnetic detonation, crash if you sink friendly ship, morale, subhyd-fix, broken hydro/radar station and so on. Basic things, many of them were promised to fix in patch 1.2 but weren't.

If the changes would affect the stock game, this would be a must purchase to everyone who likes SH 5, but is annoyed with some of it's hard-coded issues and lack of variety. And it would propably attract new players to SH 5 if the word got out that it's fixed now. Expansion pack could be sold in Steam for 20-30 bucks, and there could be "Gold edition" of the SH 5 that includes the add-on for the new gamers.

This would basically force everyone who sees potential in SH 5 to buy it. In a perfect world, there should be a free patch that does this, but I understand the grimness of the gaming industry, so I would pay money to get it working.

With this kind of add-on, Ubisoft could make money, attract new players, clear it's soiled PR-image, and finally, with the added mods that we already have, make SH 5 the best submarine simulator that ever was!

Ubisoft, you are free to steal my idea!

[DelphiUniverse]

The fact that most people are into 3d first person shootemup games is something that bothers me. Why are so many people into it, clearly if the market is pointing that way, then it must be a reason for it.
but WHAT IS it about, why are people so into it.....

[TheDarkWraith]

Here's what I think: Before it used to be that sex attracted buyers. Now it seems either sex and/or violence attracts buyers

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rongel

I didn't get sleep last night, so I figured out this:

**SNIP**

I can see one flaw with that idea: Ubisoft

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Should've done it with SH4. More thought should've been on bettering the
stuff INSIDE the subs instead of outside.

They REALLY should have taken their time with SH4. In all reality, SH4 is little more then a supermod of SH3. I guess that makes SH5 is a mod of a mod.

I long for Silent Hunter 7 and a Matrox 9 screen video card, oh yeah.

[Snotface]

Originally Posted by DelphiUniverse

The fact that most people are into 3d first person shootemup games is something that bothers me. Why are so many people into it, clearly if the market is pointing that way, then it must be a reason for it. but WHAT IS it about, why are people so into it.....

Because it's simple. Pick up a weapon and run around shooting whatever you see. No need to read a manual. It's for the instant gratification generation.

That's my best guess anyway.
Having said that, clan games etc are quite social and we can see from Facebook etc that the younger generation have grasped the online social media thing by the horns.

[0rpheus]

Originally Posted by DelphiUniverse

The fact that most people are into 3d first person shootemup games is something that bothers me. Why are so many people into it, clearly if the market is pointing that way, then it must be a reason for it.
but WHAT IS it about, why are people so into it.....

'Hollywood' factor, the casual aspect (pick up & play, put back down)... so many possibilities! I play one or two myself (ARMA, Red Orch, TF2), but while I used to play COD etc on consoles, I can't bear to do it now. The twitch gameplay and rampant idiocy/childishness/etc of the playerbase just puts me right off. When I go for shooters now I want realism and slower pacing (TF2 being the exception, but it's so well balanced it's never frustrating), the likes of Battlefield etc can take a hike. On a (vaguely) related note, I've been wondering whether the increasing popularity of games like The Sims actually reflects a general loss of control over people's own lives that they then seek in a game environment - and while I'm not saying that these kids play COD because of a suppressed need to shoot their neighbour in the face, I do think that a degradation of control throughout people's personal lives as a result of the modern economy/world/work/etc contributes a lot to the increasing popularity of all gaming - where control is guaranteed.

/amateursociologist

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Here's what I think: Before it used to be that sex attracted buyers. Now it seems either sex and/or violence attracts buyers

Damn, so what you're saying is we need a Hot Topless Blonde in the Conning Tower mod, and one that lets you wallop the engineer over the head with a wrench to boost repair time? Get on it man

[0rpheus]

Silent Hunter 6: 'Major Boobage' edition

[robbo180265]

Let it die already.

Even if (and it's never going to happen) UBI brought out a super duper all bells and whistles Subsim - I ain't going to buy it, if it has the name Ubisoft then I'm not touching it with yours.

As far as I'm concerned , if it says Ubisoft then it's probably buggy and unplayable until modded
Too many half finished games with little or no support after they've sold you the initial white elephant (game)

Never going near that lot again....

[DeadlyWolf]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Take a look at steam's top 10:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

See any simulation there? I see mostly FPS's or FPS hybrids.

Ehm...this argument has no sense at all.
Those stats keep track of all the games played:
- online
- bought on steam

I hope you realise a lot of the videogames out there don't need neither.
If you want realistic data you shold watch at the sales (both dd and retail boxes)..the problem is It's difficult to find reliable sources.

The statement "simulation games don't sell" or "SH5 didn't sell well because of the genre" It's just pure crap.
This forum alone has almost 64000 users registered. The genre sells when the game deserves to be bought.
You want to blame someone? Blame that company of retards called Ubisoft. There're A LOT of reasons to do so.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by DeadlyWolf

Ehm...this argument has no sense at all.

Yes it does make sense. Those stats are essentually what people are playing!

Again, no sim's listed there. Considering how large steam has become, and how many users steam has, i'd call that a good benchmark.

The statement "simulation games don't sell"
or "SH5 didn't sell well because of the genre" It's just pure crap.
This forum alone has almost 64000 users registered. The genre sells when the game deserves to be bought.
.

Uh huh, and how long has this site been active? How many users through the course of years have created accounts here? How many of those users do you think are active or inactive? Your use of forum statistics to gauge the popularity of the sim genre is a bigger load of crap then anything I said.

edit: Oh and this forum alone? How many submarine simulation sites do you know of that have an active forum? There aren't very many. Take it from someone who was banned from subsim for a year. There are not that many.

[Halface]

Be glad its not a Sony

[GT182]

If UBI does another SH sim I hope they go broke.

I will NOT buy another UBI sim. Especially after they way they porked us all with SH5 and Cliffs of Dover.

StarForce in SH3 was bad enough, but mandatory connections to UBI and Steam to play SH5 and ClOD are the last straw. Paranoia at UBI will kill them. Rot in Hell UBI.

[kiwi_2005]

I would prefer a SH5 expansion pack or DLC option with the bug fixes & IX Uboats added.