SH5 Performance/CTDs

0rpheus · 07-18-11, 12:23 PM

Ahoy subsim captains!

Wow, where to start... Made the move to 5 from SH4. Initial thoughts were:

'Wow. Looks gorgeous. Hang on, framerate.. Shadows medium, AA lower, particles lower... Still no good. 50 fps and still stuttering?! Ah, antilag.. that'll do it... Framelimit 35, render ahead 3.. perfect, runs like a dream.'

Played tutorial, started thinking about mods. Game updated to latest (I assume) via the auto updater, disc install. Current mod soup as follows:

Magnum Opus_0_0_1
MO v0_0_1
MO Patch 2
Shadow Improvement ModLR
Arclight MRP
Critical Hits 1.1 Torpedos
Reduced Mission Tonnage v02

Also antilag & SH5 patcher (hydrophone fix only so far).

Got these set up, very happy, started campaign and off I sail to the Coastal Waters of Britain...

boom -CTD. Seems to happen quite a lot - when approaching ships, sometimes just at random, even once when I tried to end patrol at Kiel. I'm now saving it as often as possible so I can restart close to the crash point, but is this really the way SH5 runs? Most of you chaps seem to have much longer mod lists than me, do you guys get CTDs quite a lot too?

Framerate is pretty poor in places even with just these mods, and with the LR shadow improvement - Kiel's fine, but passing through a convoy at night (with explosions, hehe) really brought the stutter back.

My rig is as follows:

Core i5 @ 3.6g o/c
4Gig DDR3 @ 1333 Mhz
ATI 5770 x2 (only single GPU used so far, not tried Xfire)
Win 7 64

Bit stunned that my pc would even have trouble with a 2009 game, runs Arma2 fine and many other high-power games with no difficulty at all. I've tried the Large Address Aware software fix from SH4 and that seemed to reduce CTDs, but I can't be certain as what will crash one minute (say approaching a ship), will, upon reload of the save be fine so it could just be a placebo.

It makes no sense! I knew coming from SH4 that I'd have to mod 5 to get it truly playable, but I've now spent 3 days straight modding it and still CTD/low performance. I've tried adding OHII (with 50% harbour fix & 20% mines fix) to the existing list and that made it even worse in terms of both frames and CTD, even dropping to OHII Lite (which was way better for framerate) still CTDs so I dropped back to the list above... still CTDs. Starting to wonder if the CTDs aren't related to the mods at all - and I really would like to use both OM & OHII!

I know my way around JSGME etc and I'm sure there must be captains out there with similar systems that have managed to get their game playable? Can anyone help... or should I shelve it and go back to SH4?

Thanks to anyone who reads/replies, and sorry for what must be the millionth post on this topic!

Trevally. · 07-18-11, 12:53 PM

When I add a mod using jsgme, I always watch out for a message at the top "not responding".
This happens a lot with large mods. (MO OH II)
When I see this happen - I reject the mod.
Then try it again, until it loads without the "not responding".

You should try Sobers mod list.
He has been at this a long time and tests every one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?u=223410

You PC lookd good. Im sure its not it

0rpheus · 07-18-11, 01:40 PM

Hmm might investigate that then, I do see 'not responding' sometimes when installing mods but after a while it rights itself and installs, so I just figured it was eating a lot of CPU during the install. I'm sure it did this with one or two of the larger SH4 mods, but have never had any trouble with those. I've seen sober's list but I don't want to install any more mods until I can get the CTD's fixed, or I'll never know what's causing it!

I see things like the latest FX Update mod fixing some CTDs but one version is (I think) already included in OM so I didn't get it.

I thought my pc would be up to scratch as I'm sure I saw someone mention they were running OHII full on a 5770 GPU... could it be the mod installs that are making OM (& OHII) run so poorly? I couldn't believe it stuttered so heavily without any mods on my system that I had to get antilag before I could play it - maybe there's something in the game stock performance that is still broken and that performance drag is what's making MO/OH so slow? Should it run without stutter at stock (no antilag) on my system? I had 50-60 fps, even with the stutter! Turning off 3D clouds and dropping particles to min killed the stutter at stock almost completely, but it looks bad... so I got antilag... but it still seems silly for my system to stutter at all!

Thanks Trevallly.

Any other thoughts anyone? Gonna go back to stock tonight and see if I can get it playable, then start again with mods.

EDIT: Just did a full wipe/reinstall. Stock game with all settings maxed gives 60 fps solid. In the boat is fine, but on deck camera stutter is horrendous. Weirdly moving about without moving the camera is perfectly smooth - it's only when you move the camera. Only thing of note is that as with the first install, the update to patch 1.2 seemed to freeze the updater after it said complete. I had to click the quit button to get to the launcher and it said 'aborting'.. but it had already said patch complete, then dropped me out to the game launcher.

THE_MASK · 07-18-11, 04:26 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=2793

THE_MASK · 07-18-11, 04:28 PM

The sub ctd fix is also available in the latest UI mod by TDW .

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166093

0rpheus · 07-18-11, 08:56 PM

Thanks sober, would that mean it's already included in OM? Assume I shouldn't patch it twice if so.

I just don't understand how I can have rock solid 60fps when standing on the conning tower but utterly unplayable camera lag. No wonder the mods are slowing it down if this is the base state of the game? I thought I could tweak it to run without antilag but it's just not possible! And yet I see posts from other players, some of which have far less powerful systems who say they run it fine? What gives?

THE_MASK · 07-22-11, 03:58 PM

He has X64 so 3gig switch is not needed .

0rpheus · 07-22-11, 05:19 PM

I know it's not a super-card, but it runs all my games very well at high settings. SH5 is running at 1900x1200 with all the settings ticked at a lovely 50ish fps (with mods). The only thing I have to turn off is particles, which must be off, or the lag is unbearable. Still runs at 60fps stock, even with the lag. God knows what they did with the particle engine in this game!

I still get the occasional CTD, 2 today in fact coming out of Scapa Flow, but I'm trying to just tolerate it and keep my TC as low as possible. Thanks for all the tips guys, and for the excellent mods. Dynamic Environment is beautiful

07-18-11, 12:23 PM	#1
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	SH5 Performance/CTDs Ahoy subsim captains! Wow, where to start... Made the move to 5 from SH4. Initial thoughts were: 'Wow. Looks gorgeous. Hang on, framerate.. Shadows medium, AA lower, particles lower... Still no good. 50 fps and still stuttering?! Ah, antilag.. that'll do it... Framelimit 35, render ahead 3.. perfect, runs like a dream.' Played tutorial, started thinking about mods. Game updated to latest (I assume) via the auto updater, disc install. Current mod soup as follows: Magnum Opus_0_0_1 MO v0_0_1 MO Patch 2 Shadow Improvement ModLR Arclight MRP Critical Hits 1.1 Torpedos Reduced Mission Tonnage v02 Also antilag & SH5 patcher (hydrophone fix only so far). Got these set up, very happy, started campaign and off I sail to the Coastal Waters of Britain... boom -CTD. Seems to happen quite a lot - when approaching ships, sometimes just at random, even once when I tried to end patrol at Kiel. I'm now saving it as often as possible so I can restart close to the crash point, but is this really the way SH5 runs? Most of you chaps seem to have much longer mod lists than me, do you guys get CTDs quite a lot too? Framerate is pretty poor in places even with just these mods, and with the LR shadow improvement - Kiel's fine, but passing through a convoy at night (with explosions, hehe) really brought the stutter back. My rig is as follows: Core i5 @ 3.6g o/c 4Gig DDR3 @ 1333 Mhz ATI 5770 x2 (only single GPU used so far, not tried Xfire) Win 7 64 Bit stunned that my pc would even have trouble with a 2009 game, runs Arma2 fine and many other high-power games with no difficulty at all. I've tried the Large Address Aware software fix from SH4 and that seemed to reduce CTDs, but I can't be certain as what will crash one minute (say approaching a ship), will, upon reload of the save be fine so it could just be a placebo. It makes no sense! I knew coming from SH4 that I'd have to mod 5 to get it truly playable, but I've now spent 3 days straight modding it and still CTD/low performance. I've tried adding OHII (with 50% harbour fix & 20% mines fix) to the existing list and that made it even worse in terms of both frames and CTD, even dropping to OHII Lite (which was way better for framerate) still CTDs so I dropped back to the list above... still CTDs. Starting to wonder if the CTDs aren't related to the mods at all - and I really would like to use both OM & OHII! I know my way around JSGME etc and I'm sure there must be captains out there with similar systems that have managed to get their game playable? Can anyone help... or should I shelve it and go back to SH4? Thanks to anyone who reads/replies, and sorry for what must be the millionth post on this topic! Last edited by 0rpheus; 07-18-11 at 01:41 PM.

07-18-11, 12:53 PM	#2
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	When I add a mod using jsgme, I always watch out for a message at the top "not responding". This happens a lot with large mods. (MO OH II) When I see this happen - I reject the mod. Then try it again, until it loads without the "not responding". You should try Sobers mod list. He has been at this a long time and tests every one. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?u=223410 You PC lookd good. Im sure its not it __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

07-18-11, 01:40 PM	#3
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	Hmm might investigate that then, I do see 'not responding' sometimes when installing mods but after a while it rights itself and installs, so I just figured it was eating a lot of CPU during the install. I'm sure it did this with one or two of the larger SH4 mods, but have never had any trouble with those. I've seen sober's list but I don't want to install any more mods until I can get the CTD's fixed, or I'll never know what's causing it! I see things like the latest FX Update mod fixing some CTDs but one version is (I think) already included in OM so I didn't get it. I thought my pc would be up to scratch as I'm sure I saw someone mention they were running OHII full on a 5770 GPU... could it be the mod installs that are making OM (& OHII) run so poorly? I couldn't believe it stuttered so heavily without any mods on my system that I had to get antilag before I could play it - maybe there's something in the game stock performance that is still broken and that performance drag is what's making MO/OH so slow? Should it run without stutter at stock (no antilag) on my system? I had 50-60 fps, even with the stutter! Turning off 3D clouds and dropping particles to min killed the stutter at stock almost completely, but it looks bad... so I got antilag... but it still seems silly for my system to stutter at all! Thanks Trevallly. Any other thoughts anyone? Gonna go back to stock tonight and see if I can get it playable, then start again with mods. EDIT: Just did a full wipe/reinstall. Stock game with all settings maxed gives 60 fps solid. In the boat is fine, but on deck camera stutter is horrendous. Weirdly moving about without moving the camera is perfectly smooth - it's only when you move the camera. Only thing of note is that as with the first install, the update to patch 1.2 seemed to freeze the updater after it said complete. I had to click the quit button to get to the launcher and it said 'aborting'.. but it had already said patch complete, then dropped me out to the game launcher. Last edited by 0rpheus; 07-18-11 at 03:53 PM.

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07-18-11, 04:26 PM	#4
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=2793

07-18-11, 04:28 PM	#5
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	The sub ctd fix is also available in the latest UI mod by TDW . http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166093

07-18-11, 08:56 PM	#6
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	Thanks sober, would that mean it's already included in OM? Assume I shouldn't patch it twice if so. I just don't understand how I can have rock solid 60fps when standing on the conning tower but utterly unplayable camera lag. No wonder the mods are slowing it down if this is the base state of the game? I thought I could tweak it to run without antilag but it's just not possible! And yet I see posts from other players, some of which have far less powerful systems who say they run it fine? What gives?

07-22-11, 03:58 PM	#7
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	He has X64 so 3gig switch is not needed .

07-22-11, 05:19 PM	#8
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	I know it's not a super-card, but it runs all my games very well at high settings. SH5 is running at 1900x1200 with all the settings ticked at a lovely 50ish fps (with mods). The only thing I have to turn off is particles, which must be off, or the lag is unbearable. Still runs at 60fps stock, even with the lag. God knows what they did with the particle engine in this game! I still get the occasional CTD, 2 today in fact coming out of Scapa Flow, but I'm trying to just tolerate it and keep my TC as low as possible. Thanks for all the tips guys, and for the excellent mods. Dynamic Environment is beautiful