Memo to Ubisoft

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

How do You expect Ubi to do it NOW: when you have so many "smarteys" on this forum, repeating to us:
- not to judge before actual release
- to wait for instalation on HD before complaining
- not to disturb Devs now, because they are tired
- ...etc.

Ubi wont give us something - if we, as community, do not know clearly what we want !

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

While I would approve of giving Neal getting a preview copy I'm not so sure that "so much could be accomplished".

They plan to go to market in a month or two and the time to add features is past.

Furthermore I dont belive that Neal would ailenate the developers by an overly critical review.

[DEZ]

Generally speaking the quieter the developers are about a game the worse the game is.
Operation flashpoint Dragon Rising is a great example. Nothing is said apart from a few videos which are more like movies. No demo, "selected" reviewers given the game before release day. Result i think i gave that game around an hour before it was uninstalled.
Other games are much more open, i recently watch the first 10 minutes of the new AvP game on youtube. No idea if it will be any good but it does give you a good feel to the how the game will play
At the end of the day they are never going to release a version of the game here as if it does not go down well they are losing a fair wack of expected income, its way to much risk.
I have no idea is SH5 will be any good, but no information and the flashy film like videos are a worry.

[TDK1044]

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

It's not that simple TDK... It is "Iceberg" story:

You see 20% above surface (Marketing)... and 80% of SHV is below surface invisible (Devs)

I would say that Marketing is marginal in this story... as they started two months before release date... so there is obvious lack of interaction willingnes... an feed back consideration...
that lasted for 8-12 months... before marketing even stepped in this story

Marketing did not make that "periscope screen"... and marketing is not supposed to "reconsider" it after obvious community rejection...

And afterall... the relation betwen devs and marketing is certainly not that bad - that devs can't tell them "show them those d**n storm waves next weekend"

Ubi is not "kindergarden" organization... so marketing haven't created HAWX, Rainbow Six:Vegas 2 or GRAW2 "simulations"...

[FIREWALL]

When I posted HAWX as a simulation here I was almost ran out of town on a rail.

[THE_MASK]

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen.

What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

You may have missed this TDK?

[JScones]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

Who do you think marketing gets the screenshots from.

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

You know, there is one very simple solution that will make you a very happy man...stop reading the forum if it bugs you so much. Much easier to change oneself than expect all those around you to change.

Otherwise, STFU and stop telling everyone else how to act.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by JScones

Who do you think marketing gets the screenshots from.


You know, there is one very simple solution that will make you a very happy man...stop reading the forum if it bugs you so much. Much easier to change oneself than expect all those around you to change.

Otherwise, STFU and stop telling everyone else how to act.

J...
I think that is effectively what i will do. I think i have a small clue whats going on, and i will keep my thoughts to myself.
And share the stored energy with some girl. Thats far more positive than to rant here.

[Feltan]

One thing for sure ... with no advance copies out there, I will wait to buy until someone reviews it!

Regards,
Feltan

[FIREWALL]

Hopefully Ubisoft will release at least one more video showing gameplay before the game hits the store shelves.

It would definitely help preorders.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

There is an understandable mixture of disappointment, frustration and anger in the air at the moment, and I believe a lot of that could be significantly reduced by Neal having review access to the latest version of the game.

Come on Ubisoft. You have known Neal for many years. You know that you can trust him. Allow him to do your company a big favor, by addressing the concerns of many here regarding the latest incarnation of a franchise that this Forum has strongly supported over the years.

Let him review the game!

It seems that our voice is getting a stereo transmision:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...7/m/2071000528