School district bans walking/biking to school

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Let's build subways from each privbate house to every public building, with no in-between-stations: crime-safe, and even no risk of picking up an infectious flu from stranger.

We should also consider to transport our children in handcuffs in wheel chairs, with a bag over their head. Just to protect them from themselves.

I think you think exactly 180° in the wrong direction, AVG. I mean kids get killed in traffic accidents - let's prohibit driving them around in cars. Let's rent a helicopter to bring them to school instead. Deal?!

Sure bud...the statistic noted above are meaningless. Got kids? If so, we will talk. If not, sit behind your monitor and keep quiet on the subject.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here ya go bud:

Statistics on Child Molestation

The statistics say that one out of every three to four girls has been sexually assaulted by the age of 18. One boy out of every six will be abused by the age of 18. Although we have some reports and convictions to base these statistics on, they are actually not accurate. So many cases of child molestation go unreported each year, so we really cannot estimate the real numbers. The FBI reports that the National Institute for Mental Health found that only 1% to 10% of victims ever tell that they were abused. Boys report far less than girls.

• The average child molester will molest fifty girls before being caught and convicted.
• A child molester that seeks out boys will molest 150 boys before being caught and convicted and he will commit at least 280 sexual crimes in his lifetime.
• The standard pedophile will commit 117 sexual crimes in their lifetime.
• Most sexual abuse happens between the ages of 7 and 13.
• There are over 491,720 registered sex offenders in the United States.
• 80,000 to 100,000 of the above offenders are missing.
• Molesters known by the family or victim are the most common abusers. The “Acquaintance Molesterâ€� accounts for 70-90% of reported cases.

http://www.registeredoffenderslist.o...on-statistics/



Go ahead bud, allow the kid to walk or ride the bike to school. Give that perv the 4 mile opportunity to do harm to your kid. Hey Skybird, how about joining the real world instead of attempting to just be right all the time.

[SteamWake]

When I was a kid I walked / rode my bike to school every freakin day for many many years from 1st grade on.

Not once was I molested, nor did the thought and or fear of it ever cross my mind.

You cannot tell me things have not changed.

Throw all the statistics up there you want.

But innoncence has been stolen from children and they will probably never get it back.

[Skybird]

The article did not give the impression that they were driving through a gang warzone. nor did the pictures. If you think there is a problem with crime, AVG, then you better start solving this problem, instead of just locking your children away and that way just adapt to symptoms.

BTW, many kids get hurt at school these days, get bullied by gangs and get ripped of, and many kids bring their own knifes and other weapons with them. Should we stop send our kids to school, therefore?

Also, most cases of child abuse take place inside families, with the father sinvolved and the mothers tolerating it. By your logic we therefore should take all children away from theior parents, and then what? Put them into state-run institutions for education where they canot become object to their parent's abuse? Hell, if that would not be a communist utopia!

Let's not get carried away. Total security and safe-guarding against any risks is only possible at the price of total totalitarian control.

[AVGWarhawk]

The article did not give the impression that they were driving through a gang warzone. nor did the pictures. If you think there is a problem with crime, AVG, then you better start solving this problem, instead of just locking your children away and that way just adapt to symptoms.

You do not need to be in a warzone to get hurt or kidnapped. Kids get swiped in any neighborhood. Sending your kids into a potentually harmful situation is just wrong. I just asked a coworker if he would send his 16 year old daughter on a 4 mile walk to school. He said NO immediately. 4 miles is a long way for a kid to walk to school IMO and as a parents opinion.

BTW, many kids get hurt at school these days, get bullied by gangs and get ripped of, and many kids bring their own knifes and other weapons with them. Should we stop send our kids to school, therefore?

And this is ok? This make sending your kid on a 4 mile walk ok? You're more screwed than I thought. Really man, I would not send my 11 or 14 year old on a 4 mile walk. I do not care how good the neighborhood is.

Also, most cases of child abuse take place inside families, with the father sinvolved and the mothers tolerating it. By your logic we therefore should take all children away from theior parents, and then what? Put them into state-run institutions for education where they canot become object to their parent's abuse? Hell, if that would not be a communist utopia!

Can I see some statistics on this?

Let's not get carried away. Total security and safe-guarding against any risks is only possible at the price of total totalitarian control

Ok, but being able to prevent one possible bad outcome is what a parent should do and not shrug it off because...well 'if' 'and' or 'buts' could happen anyway.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

4 miles is a long way for a kid to walk to school .

Thats why they have bikes...

It must be terrible to live with such fears.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Thats why they have bikes...

It must be terrible to live with such fears.

Got kids SW? Please, ask anyone with a daughter if they would let them walk 4 miles to school. See what they say.

[AVGWarhawk]

Family abductions
• In 16% of family abductions, the child experiences severe mental harm.
• 8% of the children experience physical harm.
• 7% of the children are sexually abused.
• Mothers take the child 46% of the time and fathers take the child 54% of the time.

Non-Family abductions
• More than 65% of the children abducted by non-family members are girls.
• 46% of children are sexually abused.
• 31% of the children are physically abused.
• 32% of abductions take place in a street or a car and 25% take place in a park or a wooded area.
• The top 3 places an abductor imprisons the child are – a car, the abductor’s home and the abductor’s building.
• Most abductions occur within a quarter of a mile of the child’s home.
• 75% of the abductors are male.
• 67% of them are below 29 years of age.

Stereotypical kidnappings
• 40% of children in “stereotypical” kidnappings are killed.
• 4% of children are never found.
• 79% kidnappings are carried out by strangers and 21% by acquaintances.
Nearly 75% of the parents in U.S fear that their children might become victims of abduction

• Most abductions occur within a quarter of a mile of the child’s home.

WELL HELL GIVE EM 4 MILES AND A FAIR CHANCE......

Parents fears are not unfounded.

[AVGWarhawk]

The article concerns really RT 9, a busy road. However there has not been a bike accident in over three years so I guess parents think it is ok. The article states the road does not really accomodate the bike traffic. So, if one kid get hit and killed...then what?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You do not need to be in a warzone to get hurt or kidnapped. Kids get swiped in any neighborhood. Sending your kids into a potentually harmful situation is just wrong. I just asked a coworker if he would send his 16 year old daughter on a 4 mile walk to school. He said NO immediately. 4 miles is a long way for a kid to walk to school IMO and as a parents opinion.



And this is ok? This make sending your kid on a 4 mile walk ok? You're more screwed than I thought. Really man, I would not send my 11 or 14 year old on a 4 mile walk. I do not care how good the neighborhood is.




Can I see some statistics on this?



Ok, but being able to prevent one possible bad outcome is what a parent should do and not shrug it off because...well 'if' 'and' or 'buts' could happen anyway.

Build yourself a bunker, put a bed into it, and do not raise in the morning anymore. If additionally you link your cardiovascular system to a machine and have an independent generator, you should enjoy a life in maximum safety, I guess.

If somebody here would hint that due to the many accidents with firearms maybe there should be a more restrictive gun law ("Eeeeek! Did he say gun law...?"), the outcry already would echoe from one coast of america to the other, and many would compare that to forbit car traffic due to traffic accidents hurting people.

We do not need playgrounds. We need bunkers with security personnel and barbwire and camera control around them, so that our children can play in safety.

If there would be a security concern of such a kind that you need to lock away your kids, then the problem is not parentsnot doing right that, but that the social environment that is like such a bad place does not get tackled. But the article does not seem to indicate that it is about a drug gang war district like in some Brazilian or Columbian suburbs where every week two dozen gang members shoot or stab each other. And if the school would be unaccessible by feet or bike due to too danegrous traffic - sue the city planners for having done a criminally bad job, and re-route traffic patterns to calm down the area instead of forbidding students to walk or bike.

I had a school way of almopst 4 km every day. In the middle of a big city. That'S why I used a bike - despite thousands of cars and several major traffic lines I had to pass or drive on. and in all my school years I am not aware of any student their having become victim of a traffic accident while walking or biking. But one boy from my chess club got killed. He stumbled while leaving the bus, the door closed and he was carried with the bus and slammed against an obstavle, a parked car I think. Damn public transportation...

I rest the case here. It simply is too absurd.

[AVGWarhawk]

We do not need playgrounds. We need bunkers with security personnel and barbwire and camera control around them, so that our children can play in safety.

Same crap they said in the 1940's across the pond Again, until you have a child you will probably never understand. I asked before, do you have children?

I rest the case here. It simply is too absurd.

You will never rest your case nor complete it. Without being a parent you are blowing nothing but smoke from behind your monitor or from some article you found. Try living it with a breathing kid and tell me you would not be concerned.

[martes86]

I do not understand the issue here... why don't they let students bike or walk? What's the logic on that? Just to make americans fat?

Seriously, it escapes comprehension.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by martes86

I do not understand the issue here... why don't they let students bike or walk? What's the logic on that? Just to make americans fat?

Seriously, it escapes comprehension.

Read the full article...it concerns a busy road.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Read the full article...it concerns a busy road.

Then it's up to the parents to make that decision, not the school.

[Sledgehammer427]

I have a sneaky feeling that this is more than just a busy road.

I rode my bike to and from town (about 6 miles) every day when I was in middle school, and only once or twice was I in any real danger from traffic, and yes I did ride on the busy road. Matter of fact, I was in more danger from something happening on my bike and killing me than the traffic.
AVG, I agree with you, kids walking 4 miles to and from school is a huge red bullseye to a predator, and even though I don't have kids (since I just became an adult) I support your stance on the issue.

the best way to fix a problem like this is to start bussing every kid that uses that road to get to school, if the parents aren't able to get them there themselves.