More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent (Global warming merged)

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

We're not entirely to blame, but we are accelerating the process. We do need to pay more attention to what we dump into the world, because if we don't, we're in trouble.

If you're right then we're in trouble anyways. Whatever limits we impose, whatever taxes we increase, whatever green legislation we enact, it will all be negated by an ever growing world human population.

[subchaser12]

Two things about this topic. First global warming is real. Second I want it to NOT be real, I want the right wing to get their way and kill this idea. That sounds bizarre so let me explain.

If global warming gains ground and the government gets involved we will be screwed. They will just use it as an excuse to make up absurd laws and tax the hell out of us. Case in point, my whole foods got rid of plastic bags. I mean come on, that was never the issue. Burning fossile fuel was beat out by the all time environmental hazzard of all, meat farms.

So look at that example. They still have their meat section, but no plastic bags. That's silly. The only think that will happen in the global warming fight is more taxes and BS laws and regulations.

[August]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

The only think that will happen in the global warming fight is more taxes and BS laws and regulations.

For once we agree on something!

[Hylander_1314]

Yeah, but all it will take to cool things down again is another Tambora size eruption like in 1815, and another Krakatoa and things will chill down. A real big cool down would happen if the caldera under Yellowstone goes off. Even young generations of today would probably never see a tan if that one goes up. And from what the studies have shown, the super volcano goes off about 600,000 years, and the last time it went up was around 640,000 years ago. The eruption was so fowerful that it caused the surrounding mountain range to collapse into the caldera.

Here's a hypothetical film about it.



Or if say 3 volcanos have major eruptions over a ten to twenty year period, it will cool things down again to the equivilant of the little iceage again most likely. So between starvation and disease, the population will take a big hit most likely from it, as anywhere 1/3 to 2/3 of the world's population could be lost to such a disaster today.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by August

For once we agree on something!

Left or right, everyone has to agree we don't want the government to come "fix" something.

Just look at the protected species laws. The quickest way to get an animal extinct is to label it endangered. If the government gets behind global warming full speed this will be a real commercial.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING
CAUTION: Frequent use will cause skin cancer

Well, which is the lesser of two weevils in this case..

[FIREWALL]

We'll be dead from one thing or another before " Global Warming " do's us in.

Media Hype Blowhards are what's killing this planet and the egg sucking hand wringers that believe thier B.S.

Ah rgr, haven't seen it yet, my mistake.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by August

If you're right then we're in trouble anyways. Whatever limits we impose, whatever taxes we increase, whatever green legislation we enact, it will all be negated by an ever growing world human population.

August is right in that regard.

As for SH - You are wrong. We had a mini ice age that we have been climbing out of since the 1700's Hello? Did you not bother to check that? Duh! No wonder not only we have had a warming period for 400 years, but since the 1800's. We are getting back to where the Earth's average has been for the last 3000 years and we are still not there.

Arctic ice - Has been for most of Earths existence only a winter phenomena, not a summer. Only 5% of the time in the last 3000 years has there been ice at the North pole during summer. Polar bears have dealt with this since the beginning of their time.

How about your Greenhouse gases? The ones supposedly that are warming up Earth? Not only does this make plant life grow, and in turn, animal life flourish, but it has no measurable effect on the environment. Why? The highest concentration is CO2 after Water vapor. The reason you can't measure its effect is that it is at a ratio of 27 to 1. That is right! 27 to 1! The only way greenhouse gas might affect the climate is if it came to a ratio of about 10 to 1, and you would have to have many volcanoes going off all day every day for years to accomplish that. Bah! But you never checked this.

Our glaciers? Our largest ones even grew last year worldwide! This hasn't ever been recorded in human history! Think you are getting global warming? Try global cooling!

I'll tell you what Global Warming is:

Short on facts, long on faith

That is about the jist of it. Al Gore I see has done an excellent job spoon feeding the population because they seem to accept what they are told, and don't bother to research the facts.

-S

PS. Correction to the above - 5% of the years in the last 10,000 years has only had permanent sea ice in the Arctic. Usually it melts in the summer.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Sounds a lot like your epitaph

Maybe you forgot to read the facts I see. But I guess you've always been partial to pure faith.

-S

[Frame57]

Well for the proponants of evolution one would have to consider that if we can from primates and continue to evolve into an almost hairless creature that requires clothing to survive, planetary warming must be condusive to our evolutionary genes. According to mendel adaptabilty to environmental conditions is a driving force in evolution. So then the warming trend of our planet must be natural from eons ago in order to have the current human condition.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

As for SH - You are wrong.

Got my facts from National Geographic, not a political website that does jack in the science world.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

We had a mini ice age that we have been climbing out of since the 1700's Hello? Did you not bother to check that? Duh! No wonder not only we have had a warming period for 400 years, but since the 1800's. We are getting back to where the Earth's average has been for the last 3000 years and we are still not there.

Wrong. The planet recovered from the effects of the Medieval ice age by 1830. A FULL recovery. The temperatures are not raising to where their average sat at 400 years ago...

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Arctic ice - Has been for most of Earths existence only a winter phenomena, not a summer. Only 5% of the time in the last 3000 years has there been ice at the North pole during summer.

Careful you don't step in the bullsh** guys!

Seriously, have you ever read the diarys of explorers who went to the North Pole as early as the 1700s? Ice has existed during summers before, mon ami. Lots of it. It takes a ridiculous amount of time for it to form and then break off. It's not like huge chunks break off during the summer, leaving 5% behind, and then suddenly come back every winter...

Where did you get that statistic, anyway?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Polar bears have dealt with this since the beginning of their time.

Eh, no. The reason being what I forementioned: the ice caps do not melt away every summer and suddenly return every winter. They never have, and they never will. Yeah, pieces have broken off before. That's nothing new. What is new is the rate at which the ice is breaking off. That, and the changing temperatures.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

How about your Greenhouse gases? The ones supposedly that are warming up Earth? Not only does this make plant life grow, and in turn, animal life flourish, but it has no measurable effect on the environment. Why? The highest concentration is CO2 after Water vapor. The reason you can't measure its effect is that it is at a ratio of 27 to 1. That is right! 27 to 1! The only way greenhouse gas might affect the climate is if it came to a ratio of about 10 to 1, and you would have to have many volcanoes going off all day every day for years to accomplish that.

The flux of carbon between the atmosphere and the land and the oceans is dominated by natural processes, like photosynthesis in plants. While these natural processes can absorb some of the net 6 billion metric tons of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions produced each year, 4.1 billion metric tons are added to the atmosphere annually. This imbalance between greenhouse gas emissions and absorption results in the continuing increase in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases... and this is why too much greenhouse gas is bad. It warms the planet. You don't want us to become like Venus, do you?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Bah! But you never checked this.

Clearly you haven't been to NASA's HQ in Washington, D.C. They have tours and show you around the labs where they do this research and compile data. Seriously, take one some time instead of buying into these crackpot conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Our glaciers? Our largest ones even grew last year worldwide! This hasn't ever been recorded in human history! Think you are getting global warming? Try global cooling!

Global cooling my ass. Any idiot who has been to a science institute that features a climatology lab could figure out that temperatures are rising. You really think NASA's Goddard Institute is lying to the world? That this is all some kind of elaborate hoax created by evil scientists to enslave humanity and get money?

You are not a fond person of science that contradicts your beliefs, are you?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'll tell you what Global Warming is:

Short on facts, long on faith

That is about the jist of it. Al Gore I see has done an excellent job spoon feeding the population because they seem to accept what they are told, and don't bother to research the facts.

*sigh*

I guess those damn scientists are just out to destroy the world, aren't they?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

PS. Correction to the above - 5% of the years in the last 10,000 years has only had permanent sea ice in the Arctic. Usually it melts in the summer.

Arctic ice does not suddenly melt and then suddenly reappear every summer/winter.

[Sailor Steve]

Oh, no mistake! It hasn't been posted in awhile, so 1) That absolves you for not having seen it before, and 2) It puts it back up for others who haven't seen it.

Those of us who've been around too long just like to complain.

"I SAW THAT JUST TWO YEARS AGO! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?"
:rotfl:

[longam]

I can't wait until 2015 :p

[Sailor Steve]

By then I'll be to old to do anything but enjoy the view. I'm already too old for much else.

For my dad's 80th birthday last year, I got him a card that showed a picture of three babes in bikinis on the front, with the caption "Look at this picture and tell me what you see." Inside it said "If you said 'three girls blocking my view of the beach', you're too old!"