I'd pay good money if he'd just shut up...

[Molon Labe]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

You know... that's my one real hope. I would like to see history record this man as the incompetent boob that he really is...

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

Woodrow Wilson (D); Negotiated Treaty of Versailles; sold out on "peace without victory," in exchange for the failed League of Nations, compromising to force Germany into harsh reparations which all but guaranteed WWII
Warren Harding (R); Washington Naval Conference; which but for FDR and Carl Vinson would have left us woefully unprepared for WWII
Lydon Johnson (D); Great Society, ****ing up Vietnam so badly not even Petraeus could have saved it.
James Carter (D); Impotence in the face of our worst 'energy crisis,' and Iran; instigating the USSR-Afghanistan war by aiding and arming Islamist fighters to give the USSR "their own Vietnam."

These four are easily ahead...for now. But, as with these four, the damage done is best assessed with hindsight. The Iraq factor is mostly known; Bush mishandled it, then saved it. It cost us international political capital. Perhaps in the future it will be a shining example of how democracy and Islam can co-exist, but the effects of that may not be known for decades. (If that plays out though, then we wouldn't be talking about Bush as someone who caused damage, but as one of the most successful Presidents in history.) More immediately is the question of Iran, and perhaps, Pakistan. If the Iraq war has caused us to be so weak as to lack the capacity to either finally deter Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons or stop them through force, then Bush will climb a few rungs on the 'damage ladder.' Similarly, if cross-border raids into Pakistan cause an Islamic revolution there, creating an Iran-style government (like what happened on Carter's watch) but already armed with nukes, Bush climbs the ladder.

[August]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

I can't think of one 20th century president who's detractors didn't say stuff like that about them, especially in the lame duck phase of their presidency.

[Wolfehunter]

Thanks for the answer undersealcpl.

Problem is 99% of the americans are going to suffer for the 1% running the show.

[DeepIron]

I can't think of one 20th century president who's detractors didn't say stuff like that about them, especially in the lame duck phase of their presidency.

Well I thank God I'm not one of them! I've disliked Bush and his "policies" since the beginning of the Iraqi War... Somehow, I felt his credibility was compromised when they failed to find WMDs... But, that's just me...

The Iraq factor is mostly known; Bush mishandled it, then saved it.

Hmmm... not in my book he hasn't. We're still there and the Iraqis still can't handle the situation on their own yet... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7647722.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7645295.stm for the latest example of this...

It cost us international political capital. Perhaps in the future it will be a shining example of how democracy and Islam can co-exist, but the effects of that may not be known for decades. (If that plays out though, then we wouldn't be talking about Bush as someone who caused damage, but as one of the most successful Presidents in history.)

I'm more concerned with the "here and now" really. The effects are tangible and real right now. Some of the fallout from decisions made by the Bush Administration will last decades and generations into the future of our kids and grand kids...

[magic452]

Molon Labe shows he has a memory longer than the tip of his finger.
his top 4 is spot on. Bush is giving them a good race. I don't see
that kind of success in Iraq though, Bush will be #5 at least.

Pakistan is my biggest worry for the reasons stated.


The biggest problem is that American voters spend more time and though on
who they will vote for on American Idle than they do their congressman and president

[nikimcbee]

When I saw the thread title, I was hoping you were talking about me, because i can always use some extra money.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by magic452

Molon Labe shows he has a memory longer than the tip of his finger.
his top 4 is spot on. Bush is giving them a good race. I don't see
that kind of success in Iraq though, Bush will be #5 at least.

Pakistan is my biggest worry for the reasons stated.


The biggest problem is that American voters spend more time and though on
who they will vote for on American Idle than they do their congressman and president

I think you are right on the money...