Looks like we need to keep our camps in Guantanamo Bay open indefinitely

[SUBMAN1]

Oops - its Puerto Rico that I am mixing it up with.

Current US territories:

American Samoa, Midway Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands.

Regardless, if you live in any of these, no US laws apply, but you get all US benefits short of voting. You also don't have to pay any taxes.

-S

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You may be right. Let me look it up. I know anyone that lives there can come here without restriction, etc.

-S

IIRC there is a similar status for Irish nationals here in the UK and I think some commonwealth countries too .

[Tchocky]

Hmph. Guantanamo. We can't release these dangerous freedom-haters, we know they're horrible people. The worst of the worst.
Prove it.
Ah. We can't try them. No US laws apply here. Sorry

How unfortunate that you decided to fly them to Guantanamo. How very unfortunate.

I'm sure that whatever happens will be fair and balanced.

The testimony from Davis marked the transformation of an outspoken defender of Guantanamo — he once compared putting detainees on trial to dragging "Dracula out into the sunlight" — into a persistent critic.
He alleged, among other things, that Haynes appeared shocked when Davis suggested in a 2005 meeting that acquittals, however disappointing, could boost the credibility of the system.
"He looked at me and said 'We can't have acquittals, we've been holding these guys for years,'" Davis testified.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...R36dgD90B80D82

Screw it, I can't say anything that hasn't been said. A bloody stain on the conscience of the US.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

...Screw it, I can't say anything that hasn't been said. A bloody stain on the conscience of the US.

Only when we release them.

-S

[Tchocky]

Yeah, that's why everyone else stands with the US on this issue.

Right.

[iambecomelife]

What's that noise? I think it's the world's smallest violin playing for Mr. Ajmi.

"bloody stain on our conscience!":rotfl:

I'm glad the rest of the world ISN'T on our side. Why should I care about the "rest of the world?" The same "rest of the world" that said the US deserved 9/11 even before the smoke had cleared?

If I've learned anything in recent times it's to make sure to do the OPPOSITE of what the "Ruins of Europe" tell us to. They talk about what a horrible country the US is, and then they expect us to follow their advice when dealing with terrorists? It makes no sense. You don't seek advice from those who wish you ill.

Later, people. The "stain on my conscience" is just too much to bear.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

What's that noise? I think it's the world's smallest violin playing for Mr. Ajmi.

Who the heck is Mr Ajmi?

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Who the heck is Mr Ajmi?

The subject of the original article. He blew himself up, murdering 7 people.

[Tchocky]

I'm glad the rest of the world ISN'T on our side. Why should I care about the "rest of the world?" The same "rest of the world" that said the US deserved 9/11 even before the smoke had cleared?

Do you even remember the response to 9/11? The front page of Le Monde proclaimed "We are all Americans now".
So in answer to your question, no. Not that "rest of the world". The one that, by and large, supported the US when it had been greviously wounded.

If I've learned anything in recent times it's to make sure to do the OPPOSITE of what the "Ruins of Europe" tell us to. They talk about what a horrible country the US is, and then they expect us to follow their advice when dealing with terrorists? It makes no sense. You don't seek advice from those who wish you ill.

See my above comment on international attitudes.
Dealing with terrorists? Some of those in Cuba were bought by US forces in Afghanistan, no proof necessary, cold hard cash is the impetus. This strategy, combined with what have routinely been described as kangaroo courst, don't imbue the official statements of "terrorists" with much credibility. Certainly some are, but there are many victims of circumstance.

EDIT - If I was talking about how horrible the US is, I wouldn't have described Guantanamo as a stain. I thought that was obvious.

Later, people. The "stain on my conscience" is just too much to bear.

A simple exercise of empathy would make this seem a lot less light-hearted.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Dealing with terrorists? Some of those in Cuba were bought by US forces in Afghanistan, no proof necessary, cold hard cash is the impetus. This strategy, combined with what have routinely been described as kangaroo courst, don't imbue the official statements of "terrorists" with much credibility. Certainly some are, but there are many victims of circumstance.

By "victims of circumstance", are you referring to Hamdan? The man was a willing bodyguard and fighter for someone whose organization's goal was to kill American civillians.

PD

[Tchocky]

Not familiar with the name, but if it's bin Laden's driver/bodyguard you mean, I recall all the charges against him being dropped.
However, that may say more about the murky/illegal proceedings than the giult/innocence of the prisoner.

I was referring to those who were bought by US forces in Afghanistan.

That day, leaflets and loudspeaker announcements promised "the big prize" to those who turned in al-Qaida fighters.
Said one leaflet: "You can receive millions of dollars. ... This is enough to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life — pay for livestock and doctors and school books and housing for all your people."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0531-10.htm

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Not familiar with the name, but if it's bin Laden's driver/bodyguard you mean, I recall all the charges against him being dropped.
However, that may say more about the murky/illegal proceedings than the giult/innocence of the prisoner.

I was referring to those who were bought by US forces in Afghanistan.

Okay gotcha. As for Hamdan, charges were dropped because it was ruled the court that tried him didn't have the juridstiction to so. As he was ruled an "enemy combatant", not a "unlwawful enemy combatant" as would have been required. This also invalidated all the other Guantanamo prisoner rulings, IIRC.

And I agree, the way we whored out capturing prisoners to the Northern Alliance is ridiculous. But we had to come up with some prisoners. And the fact is we were a day late and a dollar short in gettting there. Nearly 30 days after almost 3,000 American civillians are killed...We start bombing and relying on special forces working with NA fighters as our boots on the ground. OBL and his buddies could have merrily skipped out of Afghanistan and cleared the border in any direction by that time. So we had to make do with buying prisoners from their tribal enemies; free market regulating itself I guess???

PD

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

They have the right to do this, so I think they are being extremely over humane by keeping them alive in the camps, no? What do you think? I agree with you however.

-S

First let me say i have no love of fantatical towelheads and islam, and im not sure what to do about gitmo in general, but i do know one thing for sure. That Gitmo should not become a modernized version of a Nazi Death camp. I dont want to give the world a legitimate reason to equate the American flag with the swaztika.

[Skybird]

[Ducimus]

Ok skybird, ive been looking for a excuse to link this picture for weeks, thanks!



That, "said", again, i have no idea what to do, only what we shouldnt do. No matter how much we may think we'd like to. (IE, shoot the bastards)